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As long as Apple has a business presence in the UK, they are subject to the laws the UK imposes on them even if they're vastly overreaching and impose on other
by TrueDuality 2y ago
As long as Apple has a business presence in the UK, they are subject to the laws the UK imposes on them even if they're vastly overreaching and impose on other government's citizens. Not supporting cloud services wouldn't be sufficient to avoid the compliance requirement, they would have to formerly stop doing business in the UK.
Looking at the market size that might be a decision that Apple is willing to make as it would most likely be a temporary stick. The government can spin it anyway they want, but Apple devices do not work basically at all without the deep integration of their services. A geoblock would effectively mean UK citizens would be left with unusable devices and I can't see the resulting outrage being directed exclusively at Apple.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out for sure.
- VWWHFSfQ 2y ago> As long as Apple has a business presence in the UK, they are subject to the laws the UK imposes on them even if they're vastly overreaching and impose on other government's citizens. I wonder if this means that Apple would ultimately take the same approach that they have in China, where the iCloud data and services are entirely localized within China and allows the Chinese government unrestricted access.
- aucisson_masque 2y agoone can't compare china and the uk. china had leverage because of the manufacturing happening over there and the incredible market opportunity, UK doesn't have much. technically i believe apple could get out of the UK market to provoke a backslash on the government. If they concede, other government will use the exact same blackmailing technique and one can say it will be the absolute end of their "privacy" marketing campaign they spent so much money into.
- dwaite 2y agoApple offers the same escrowed key and non-escrowed key (advanced data protection) features in China as far as I'm aware. The extra capability GCBD has would be access to protected at rest data like iCloud email.
- afro88 2y agoThe decision wouldn't involve just market size, but their Irish tax haven as well. They're not going to pull out of the UK entirely.
- eric_h 2y agoTheir Irish tax haven is rather specifically _not_ in the UK.
- booi 2y agoyeah isn't it in... you know... Ireland?
- nichohel 2y agoThere is the Republic of Ireland, not in UK, and Northern Ireland, in UK.
- chrisjj 2y agoAnd Apple's "haven" is in Republic of Ireland, so no, not UK.
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- gardenhedge 2y agofyi, if you see Ireland or Irish mentioned it nearly always refers to the Republic of Ireland.
- miningape 2y agoOh American education system please never change
- tonyedgecombe 2y agoI’ve met a few fellow brits who don’t know the difference.
- bilekas 2y agoI think this is the most solid answer I’ve seen so far that makes any sense. Could they still go through with it , I’m not sure, they want to project some influence but I still feel this is like haggling for half price to get cost. Someone else here said something spot on for me, we’re all focusing on how bat sh*t this is because it’s global without even considering how human privacy obligations are just ignored. Humans have a right to privacy, feels unbelievably pretentious and privileged to even say that. But it’s still true
- hx8 2y agoImagine weighing the right of privacy of everyone in the world against the right of safety of 0.8% of the world population.