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No surprise with this. Again 4C here we come. The young people should be out protesting daily, but they are probably to busy paying off loans that are burying

by jmclnx 2y ago

No surprise with this. Again 4C here we come. The young people should be out protesting daily, but they are probably to busy paying off loans that are burying them. I feel for the youth and wish I could have done more when I was young.

animex 2y ago
4C?
- todfox 2y ago
  4°C global average temperature increase above preindustrial levels.
bhouston 2y ago
> Again 4C here we come. There is a plan for that, take more land up north, e.g. Canada and Greenland.
- bilbo0s 2y ago
  Ahhh So now I see why we’re demanding Greenland! I guess that’s just planning ahead. /s
  - bhouston 2y ago
    Here is a strategy doc from a reputable org that explicitly states that climate change is one of the causes of an increased view of Greenland as a strategic asset: https://www.belfercenter.org/research-analysis/explainer-geopolitical-significance-greenland https://www.belfercenter.org/research-analysis/explainer-geo...
- outside1234 2y ago
  I actually think this is a plan to get rare earth resources. I also think that it is an obviously extreme position that then will then obviously fail, but then the United States will fall back to "Canada and Greenland can only sell rare earth rights to the United States" to lock China out.
  - bhouston 2y ago
    I heard that Trump is refashioning the CIA to focus on the West, which could be understood as including a focus Canada. I can sort of imagine the turbulence we may start to see in Canada's political realm as a result of such shift of the CIA's priorities and operations to Canada in the service of achieving Trump's goals: > "His aide said Trump’s CIA will have a greater focus on the western hemisphere, targeting countries not traditionally considered adversaries of the US, according to the Journal." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/cia-reported-buyouts-workforce-donald-trump-administration https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/cia-reported...
    - outside1234 2y ago
      He has sold us out to Russia and this tracks with that.
burkaman 2y ago
I have time to protest but I don't really see the point right now. I participated in the largest protests I've ever seen in 2017 and they accomplished nothing. Everybody with the power to do something about this at the moment blatantly does not give a shit and has already said so publicly.
- wahnfrieden 2y ago
  Organize your colleagues. Labor has more power than general public protestors
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    You mean “labor” where many support Trump and voted for him?
  - burkaman 2y ago
    I work for a small company trying to reduce emissions so none of my colleagues need convincing. I am still organizing action on climate change outside of work, I just don't feel particularly hopeful about it right now.
ta8645 2y ago
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- chneu 2y ago
  Tesla isn't needed. EVs are happening with or without Tesla. They're not even very good EVs compared to the competition.
  - ta8645 2y ago
    That's really not the point. Not everyone is paying attention, ANY messaging at all that dissuades the public from going EV instead of ICE is actively harmful. Anyone advocating against Tesla is letting their emotions hurt the fight against global warming. And the only explanation I can come up with, is that they don't actually believe in global warming. Because if they did, they would swallow their anger, and favor every measure that advances the fight against global warming.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      I mean if you believe that a well run government is more important than global warming you make a choice.
      - shmoe 2y ago
        ... you call what we're seeing "well run" ? Like, really?
        scarface_74 2y ago
        I’m saying why would you support Musk if you prioritize a well run government?
        shmoe 2y ago
        Got it, we are on the same page.
FeloniousHam 2y ago
I'm of the opinion that youth protests (of any kind) for niche complaints (basically anything that your normie voter can't really get behind) only strengthens the executive. Protests are a great way to hook up and feel good, but I don't believe it moves the needle. Trump loves protests. No one knows what the NEVCP is/or does. When Trump threatens Social Security payments (which he won't), then the People will rise up. In the meantime, enjoy the time off from work/school, the spring weather is lovely.
animex 2y ago
This sounds more like a monopoly play to give Tesla a continuing advantage with it's charging network vs. an anti-EV stance.

by jmclnx 2y ago

animex 2y ago

4C?

todfox 2y ago
4°C global average temperature increase above preindustrial levels.

bhouston 2y ago

> Again 4C here we come. There is a plan for that, take more land up north, e.g. Canada and Greenland.

bilbo0s 2y ago
Ahhh So now I see why we’re demanding Greenland! I guess that’s just planning ahead. /s
- bhouston 2y ago
  Here is a strategy doc from a reputable org that explicitly states that climate change is one of the causes of an increased view of Greenland as a strategic asset: https://www.belfercenter.org/research-analysis/explainer-geopolitical-significance-greenland https://www.belfercenter.org/research-analysis/explainer-geo...
outside1234 2y ago
I actually think this is a plan to get rare earth resources. I also think that it is an obviously extreme position that then will then obviously fail, but then the United States will fall back to "Canada and Greenland can only sell rare earth rights to the United States" to lock China out.
- bhouston 2y ago
  I heard that Trump is refashioning the CIA to focus on the West, which could be understood as including a focus Canada. I can sort of imagine the turbulence we may start to see in Canada's political realm as a result of such shift of the CIA's priorities and operations to Canada in the service of achieving Trump's goals: > "His aide said Trump’s CIA will have a greater focus on the western hemisphere, targeting countries not traditionally considered adversaries of the US, according to the Journal." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/cia-reported-buyouts-workforce-donald-trump-administration https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/cia-reported...
  - outside1234 2y ago
    He has sold us out to Russia and this tracks with that.

burkaman 2y ago

I have time to protest but I don't really see the point right now. I participated in the largest protests I've ever seen in 2017 and they accomplished nothing. Everybody with the power to do something about this at the moment blatantly does not give a shit and has already said so publicly.

wahnfrieden 2y ago
Organize your colleagues. Labor has more power than general public protestors
- scarface_74 2y ago
  You mean “labor” where many support Trump and voted for him?
- burkaman 2y ago
  I work for a small company trying to reduce emissions so none of my colleagues need convincing. I am still organizing action on climate change outside of work, I just don't feel particularly hopeful about it right now.

ta8645 2y ago

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chneu 2y ago
Tesla isn't needed. EVs are happening with or without Tesla. They're not even very good EVs compared to the competition.
- ta8645 2y ago
  That's really not the point. Not everyone is paying attention, ANY messaging at all that dissuades the public from going EV instead of ICE is actively harmful. Anyone advocating against Tesla is letting their emotions hurt the fight against global warming. And the only explanation I can come up with, is that they don't actually believe in global warming. Because if they did, they would swallow their anger, and favor every measure that advances the fight against global warming.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    I mean if you believe that a well run government is more important than global warming you make a choice.
    - shmoe 2y ago
      ... you call what we're seeing "well run" ? Like, really?
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        I’m saying why would you support Musk if you prioritize a well run government?
        shmoe 2y ago
        Got it, we are on the same page.

FeloniousHam 2y ago

I'm of the opinion that youth protests (of any kind) for niche complaints (basically anything that your normie voter can't really get behind) only strengthens the executive. Protests are a great way to hook up and feel good, but I don't believe it moves the needle. Trump loves protests. No one knows what the NEVCP is/or does. When Trump threatens Social Security payments (which he won't), then the People will rise up. In the meantime, enjoy the time off from work/school, the spring weather is lovely.

animex 2y ago

This sounds more like a monopoly play to give Tesla a continuing advantage with it's charging network vs. an anti-EV stance.