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Feds Halt the National Electric Vehicle Charging Program
- jmclnx 2y agoNo surprise with this. Again 4C here we come. The young people should be out protesting daily, but they are probably to busy paying off loans that are burying them. I feel for the youth and wish I could have done more when I was young.
- animex 2y ago4C?
- todfox 2y ago4°C global average temperature increase above preindustrial levels.
- bhouston 2y ago> Again 4C here we come. There is a plan for that, take more land up north, e.g. Canada and Greenland.
- bilbo0s 2y agoAhhh So now I see why we’re demanding Greenland! I guess that’s just planning ahead. /s
- bhouston 2y agoHere is a strategy doc from a reputable org that explicitly states that climate change is one of the causes of an increased view of Greenland as a strategic asset: https://www.belfercenter.org/research-analysis/explainer-geopolitical-significance-greenland https://www.belfercenter.org/research-analysis/explainer-geo...
- outside1234 2y agoI actually think this is a plan to get rare earth resources. I also think that it is an obviously extreme position that then will then obviously fail, but then the United States will fall back to "Canada and Greenland can only sell rare earth rights to the United States" to lock China out.
- bhouston 2y agoI heard that Trump is refashioning the CIA to focus on the West, which could be understood as including a focus Canada. I can sort of imagine the turbulence we may start to see in Canada's political realm as a result of such shift of the CIA's priorities and operations to Canada in the service of achieving Trump's goals: > "His aide said Trump’s CIA will have a greater focus on the western hemisphere, targeting countries not traditionally considered adversaries of the US, according to the Journal." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/cia-reported-buyouts-workforce-donald-trump-administration https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/cia-reported...
- outside1234 2y agoHe has sold us out to Russia and this tracks with that.
- burkaman 2y agoI have time to protest but I don't really see the point right now. I participated in the largest protests I've ever seen in 2017 and they accomplished nothing. Everybody with the power to do something about this at the moment blatantly does not give a shit and has already said so publicly.
- wahnfrieden 2y agoOrganize your colleagues. Labor has more power than general public protestors
- scarface_74 2y agoYou mean “labor” where many support Trump and voted for him?
- burkaman 2y agoI work for a small company trying to reduce emissions so none of my colleagues need convincing. I am still organizing action on climate change outside of work, I just don't feel particularly hopeful about it right now.
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- chneu 2y agoTesla isn't needed. EVs are happening with or without Tesla. They're not even very good EVs compared to the competition.
- ta8645 2y agoThat's really not the point. Not everyone is paying attention, ANY messaging at all that dissuades the public from going EV instead of ICE is actively harmful. Anyone advocating against Tesla is letting their emotions hurt the fight against global warming. And the only explanation I can come up with, is that they don't actually believe in global warming. Because if they did, they would swallow their anger, and favor every measure that advances the fight against global warming.
- scarface_74 2y agoI mean if you believe that a well run government is more important than global warming you make a choice.
- shmoe 2y ago... you call what we're seeing "well run" ? Like, really?
- scarface_74 2y agoI’m saying why would you support Musk if you prioritize a well run government?
- shmoe 2y agoGot it, we are on the same page.
- FeloniousHam 2y agoI'm of the opinion that youth protests (of any kind) for niche complaints (basically anything that your normie voter can't really get behind) only strengthens the executive. Protests are a great way to hook up and feel good, but I don't believe it moves the needle. Trump loves protests. No one knows what the NEVCP is/or does. When Trump threatens Social Security payments (which he won't), then the People will rise up. In the meantime, enjoy the time off from work/school, the spring weather is lovely.
- animex 2y agoThis sounds more like a monopoly play to give Tesla a continuing advantage with it's charging network vs. an anti-EV stance.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoA shameless example of how the new admin benefits Elon -- given that Tesla's charging network has been his biggest moat vs other EV companies. It's Russian-style oligarchs in bed with the government to benefit themselves. Sure, there has been lobbying (aka corruption) all along. But this takes it to a whole new level.
- hippich 2y agoInteresting.. my first reaction on the title was "wait, won't it hurt musk who is trumps friend now"?
- rtkwe 2y agoIt's a mixed bag. Tesla's charging network is a pretty big revenue center but it could hurt car sales (along with going so hard for the American right which is souring the brand image with the groups of people actually buying electric cars).
- imbusy111 2y agoIt certainly takes away some control from him, when there is an independent charging network.
- ta8645 2y agoThis article claims exactly that: https://electrek.co/2025/02/06/trump-just-canceled-the-federal-nevi-ev-charger-program/ https://electrek.co/2025/02/06/trump-just-canceled-the-feder...
- insane_dreamer 2y agoIt definitely benefits Elon because it hurts his competitors, who are just getting into the game and trying to catch up.
- tasty_freeze 2y agoNo worries, the administration has said that Musk is in charge of deciding what to do about his conflicts of interest. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-05/white-house-says-musk-will-police-his-own-conflicts-of-interest https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-05/white-hou...
- insane_dreamer 2y agoNothing makes me more angry with Trump/Elon/GOP than measures that take us backward in terms of fighting climate change. It's the future of our children and grandchildren, and their children, that we're talking about -- they are going to bear the consequences, and we know the consequences will be severe! It's not about beliefs or political leanings, it's just science. I can handle most of the rest of the DOGE stupidity, but this is the one that makes my blood boil.
- remarkEon 2y agoLike the EV charging stations, this EO will have zero impact on climate change.
- insane_dreamer 2y agothat's completely false
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoThere are also more immediate problems. Think about this: we are on the cusp of the bird flu epidemic, and he nominated an antivaxxer for secretary of health and human services.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoTrue. Interestingly, RFK is the one Trump nominee that I have the least problems with because I agree very strongly with him on big food corps pushing unhealthy garbage on society -- there seems to be very little political will to solve the problem of unhealthy food especially by those who can't afford healthy food (which is expensive!). And then we wonder why we're so unhealthy as a society.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoIt's gonna be a long two years
- bilbo0s 2y agoIt’s a four year term. I wouldn’t count on mid-terms saving you. Vast majority of the seats up for election at midterm will be in safe districts. (Yayyy gerrymandering!) No sense in buyer’s remorse at this point. We just have to find some way to make the best of the situation. We do need some changes though. Consider this, the allotted pres-vice pres pairings were the best the current system could come up with. So changes should really be made, so that in the future we encourage more competence in candidates for office here in the US. Of course, now I think about it more fully, office holders would have to make those changes. So I guess I wouldn’t count on that happening either. Sigh.
- anonymousiam 2y agoOr maybe have a Democratic "nominee" who actually gets nominated?
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- burkaman 2y agoEven a Democratic majority in Congress will not help, these people have already demonstrated they do not care about Congress. The only thing that would help is a large enough majority to impeach and remove the president, which is obviously not going to happen.
- goalieca 2y agoIs this the program that was started in 2022, supposedly to last 5 years, and has hardly built anything? This seems like slow progress. > The Federal Highway Administration said 37 electric vehicle charging stations have been completed with funds from the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. > This claim likely comes from a March Washington Post article about the electric vehicle charging program’s slow rollout. But 30 more stations have been completed since the Post’s article
- jauntywundrkind 2y agoWe didn't have any standards before. Standards were made in 2023. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/02/28/2023-03500/national-electric-vehicle-infrastructure-standards-and-requirements https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/02/28/2023-03... Now products have to be developed that are compliant. That's not going to be fast! And then chargers have to get installed. I'm surprised as many are installed as there have been. Nice work teams.
- shmoe 2y agoThis year states will begin implementing their submitted plans with the disbursed funds.
- avgDev 2y agoI'm hoping voters actually see that both parties are not the same and that the average American stops voting against their own interest. I know 2 voted who voted for the current president and both are in trouble because of him. One owns section 8 housing, if feds stop the funding it will bankrupt him.
- slaw 2y agoWho will cry after one less landlord exploiting tenants and tax payers?
- scarface_74 2y agoSo they should be homeless?
- wahnfrieden 2y agoThey should get a real job
- scarface_74 2y agoMaybe they should “learn to code”? I heard that software developers are having a real easy time getting high paying jobs these days…
- wahnfrieden 2y agoHehe
- scarface_74 2y agoThey deserve everything that happens to them
- trothamel 2y agoThe letter from the FHWA to states is here: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/nevi/resources/state-plan-approval-suspension.pdf https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/nevi/resources/state-pl... It looks like it's being suspended while new guidelines are are produced. To me, this makes sense. The program produced "more than 30" EV charging stations, which doesn't seem like a ton given that they've had 3+ years to do it. That's with over $1.5B spent already, according to https://driveelectric.gov/state-plans https://driveelectric.gov/state-plans I think it's reasonable to reform a program that's dramatically failing to meet its goal.
- ben7799 2y agoIf any of this is true that's like ~$50M per charging station. I would be really curious how much commercial ones cost. Likely the government figures are inflated by lots of waste and consultants making huge money.
- trothamel 2y agoI suspect the money is going out before the charging stations are being built - but if it's taking 3 years to build them, that's kind of a problem in its own right. I don't mind the government spending money to do stuff, but spending money to not do stuff feels bad.
- vel0city 2y agoIt is not three years to build them. It's not like the initial plan got created in 2022 and then it's time to grab shovels, pull cables, and pour concrete. There is a lot of planning required for states to create corridors and what not. Most of the projects only got approved in the last year or so. Several states only just got their proposals submitted. Most of the money spent so far was only spent in this last year.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoThe 1.5B spent is misinformation. The money has been _allocated_ but it hasn't been _spent_ yet and that's because it's taken a very long time for _States_ to come up with proposals that can be funded. It's just taken much too long to happen, but that's at the state level (the Fed Gov is allocating the money but the States are managing it).
- outside1234 2y agoSo stupid. We are going to get run over by the Chinese, Europeans, and probably everyone else in this space just so Trump can reward some idiots in Texas who want to pump CO2 for three more years.
- silexia 2y agoThese federally funded programs are corrupt. Let the free market build these electric vehicle chargers if people want them. Do not force me to participate in your political desires by taking my money at gunpoint.
- outside1234 2y agoTurn off Fox News man. You are being sold this story so that billionaires can cut them or privatize them (aka steal the money from them or direct it towards their companies). My wife works for the government and she can't even get a cup of free coffee from the government because it is considered a private benefit that doesn't work towards their mission.
- chneu 2y agoThere is no such thing as a free market, especially in the US. The free market is like trickle down economics: something oligarchs make fools believe in so those fools don't notice they're being robbed. As long as you think the big bad guvmit is worse than the billionaires robbing us then you'll eagerly sign up to be robbed.
- silexia 2y agoRead less Reddit. When was the last time Bezos or Gates or Buffett held a gun to your head and said give me your money? We have no choice but to give the government any amount of money it wants even if the services it provides are negative. People freely choose to pay other folks for goods and services, and if those folks offer a truly game changing experience, sometimes they become billionaires.