4 ms·

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human s

Wow that's brutal, what's the context for this change? Was Estonia "bullied" into this, is it a popular change? 5xing electricity prices causes so much human suffering hope estonians have good ways of coping

sixothree 2y ago
I wouldn't mind some context here. Is 0.05 the price _only_ inside of Russia. Regardless, 0.05 seems extremely cheap to me. I can't think of any places in the states that pay that little. And 0.26 seems pretty darn expensive. I can only think of a few places I have been that charge that much.
- snapcaster 2y ago
  Ah gotcha, so they're not actually paying 0.05 now and they probably won't pay 0.26 in the future?
- forty 2y ago
  From what I read, there are countries in Europe where it's ~0.40€/kWh (like Germany). Here in France it's ~0.20€/kWh
- kasey_junk 2y ago
  It doesn’t quote which price that is, which matters for this discussion, but I routinely pay 5c or less for energy generated in the states.
- napoleongl 2y ago
  If it hadn’t been for Germany being one big area in terms of electricity pricing, all swedens four electricity areas would have been far below that. Now our two southernmost areas are infected by what I understand is southern German prices. https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/kontrollrummet/ https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/kontrollrummet/
- fmajid 2y ago
  I had to go to Hyderabad, India for a family emergency. Electricity here is on a progressive scale from 1 rupee/kWh up to 9 rupees. 1 rupee is about 1.25 cents. It’s got to be subsidized, just like how water is free.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  The price of electricity in Quebec is CAD0.078 per kWh, which is 5.5 cents US.
WinstonSmith84 2y ago
it's not "now", it's 2024 price. "Grid synchronization" doesn't mean, subsidized by Russia, it just meant that Russia provides energy if Estonia didn't produce enough energy, and the other way around (though it likely never happened). It's clear though that Russia was not selling at inland price.
- Symbiote 2y ago
  According to Wikipedia, Estonia did sometimes export energy to Russia. I don't know why this should be surprising. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Estonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Estonia
tterras 2y ago
Estonian here. All baltic states started discussing it about 20 years ago. It was clear that this had to be done, as after re-independnce there has never been times where russia isn't a direct threat. In 2022 when war in Ukraine started, Baltic states also prepared for possibility that Russia will simply disconnect. Without all infrastructure done yet, it wouldwe been chaos for us for several weeks. Happy that we can finally do this move for our national security.
- snapcaster 2y ago
  That makes a lot of sense, i would also feel very insecure knowing i was in that situation with Russia

sixothree 2y ago

I wouldn't mind some context here. Is 0.05 the price _only_ inside of Russia. Regardless, 0.05 seems extremely cheap to me. I can't think of any places in the states that pay that little. And 0.26 seems pretty darn expensive. I can only think of a few places I have been that charge that much.

snapcaster 2y ago
Ah gotcha, so they're not actually paying 0.05 now and they probably won't pay 0.26 in the future?
forty 2y ago
From what I read, there are countries in Europe where it's ~0.40€/kWh (like Germany). Here in France it's ~0.20€/kWh
kasey_junk 2y ago
It doesn’t quote which price that is, which matters for this discussion, but I routinely pay 5c or less for energy generated in the states.
napoleongl 2y ago
If it hadn’t been for Germany being one big area in terms of electricity pricing, all swedens four electricity areas would have been far below that. Now our two southernmost areas are infected by what I understand is southern German prices. https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/kontrollrummet/ https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/kontrollrummet/
fmajid 2y ago
I had to go to Hyderabad, India for a family emergency. Electricity here is on a progressive scale from 1 rupee/kWh up to 9 rupees. 1 rupee is about 1.25 cents. It’s got to be subsidized, just like how water is free.
bryanlarsen 2y ago
The price of electricity in Quebec is CAD0.078 per kWh, which is 5.5 cents US.

WinstonSmith84 2y ago

it's not "now", it's 2024 price. "Grid synchronization" doesn't mean, subsidized by Russia, it just meant that Russia provides energy if Estonia didn't produce enough energy, and the other way around (though it likely never happened). It's clear though that Russia was not selling at inland price.

Symbiote 2y ago
According to Wikipedia, Estonia did sometimes export energy to Russia. I don't know why this should be surprising. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Estonia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Estonia

tterras 2y ago

Estonian here. All baltic states started discussing it about 20 years ago. It was clear that this had to be done, as after re-independnce there has never been times where russia isn't a direct threat. In 2022 when war in Ukraine started, Baltic states also prepared for possibility that Russia will simply disconnect. Without all infrastructure done yet, it wouldwe been chaos for us for several weeks. Happy that we can finally do this move for our national security.

snapcaster 2y ago
That makes a lot of sense, i would also feel very insecure knowing i was in that situation with Russia