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Im predicting no more elections for you guys in 4 years. Something makes me think theres gonna be some "reason" to turn them off.

lou1306 2y ago
I'm not one of the "guys" as I am from the EU. There is a narrow way through for the US, but treating the incumbent as Just Another Guy is not that.
milesrout 2y ago
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- labster 2y ago
  So it’s a delusion that the guy who tried to overthrow the vote last time will prevent the next election this time? Tyrants tried multiple times before succeeding in Athens, why not today?
  - input_sh 2y ago
    Not to mention specifically saying "you won't have to vote anymore" on multiple occasions.
  - milesrout 2y ago
    He didnt try to "overthrow the vote" any more than Clinton did in 2016 or Gore did in 2000.
    - labster 2y ago
      The people whom Trump rallied and told to march to Capitol Hill went there for the express purpose of preventing the results of the people’s vote via the Electoral College from being accepted. This was proven in many courts of law. Not only did Trump prevent the military from responding to the putsch in his benefit until it was clear the effort had failed, he later issued a full pardon to all those involved in the attack on Congress. I can’t remember any Democratic President or candidate thereof in the history of the republic doing anything similar. Can you provide examples?
      - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
        You missed a few things. The whole "alternate electors" thing. That wasn't "just in case the court cases go our way and we turn out to have won the state". No, they were presented as the real electors. How did that happen? It wasn't just a random coincidence that seven different states did that. No, Trump orchestrated that. There was the pressure campaign on Pence. He was told to approve the alternate electors rather than the real ones. Not just once - he was repeatedly told to do that. The riot is minor compared to those two items.
      - milesrout 2y ago
        But he didn't do that. Go and read his actual speech. The words he actually used. He encouraged peaceful protest. Why were fiery riots presented as "mostly peaceful protests" while someone that encouraged people to peacefully protest is held responsible for that protest turning into a riot?
        Juliate 2y ago
        You’re totally rewriting history here. Given the distance to the events, you cannot do so in good faith.
mongol 2y ago
I am sure there will be elections. Question is how fair they will be. Have a look at Russia's recent presidential election. Putin "winning" it was a given from the start. US voters need to be mindful of all the ways an election can be rigged.
- FredFS456 2y ago
  IMO US elections have already been less-than-fully-democratic for a while, what with the voting registration and ID nonsense, as well as obvious gerrymandering and voter intimidation. At the very least, significantly less democratic than a number of other western countries.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Let’s stop applying copium to recent events and making excuses. The American people knew exactly what they were getting and voted for him anyway. He won a majority of the popular vote. The Senate is 2 Senators per state regardless of the population and isn’t as susceptible to gerrymandering. That being said, I don’t feel bad for anyone who voted for Trump and is having buyers remorse. We are already seeing it with Arabs in Minnesota who thought Trump would be better for Arabs in Gaza and are now having regrets seeing how Trump wants to use US troops to “clear out Gaza” and Latin Americans who are appalled that he tried to remove birthright citizenship. Next up will be all of the “rural American” voters who are going to bare the brunt of inflationary tariffs.
    - sundaeofshock 2y ago
      He did not get a majority of the vote. He won with a plurality of 49.8%.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        Does that somehow make you feel better about your fellow Americans? Yes I’m a born and bred US citizen. The crap that Michelle Obama and the rest of the DNC spew about “going high when they go low” and “this is not who we are” is just that. This has always been who we are.
koolba 2y ago
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- nicce 2y ago
  It certainly does not look good for a fair traditional elections. All people in power are currently being replaced with pro-Trump folks.
- lazide 2y ago
  Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, or that he is literally firing everyone in the FBI who investigated the participants - after pardoning them? What do you think?
  - koolba 2y ago
    > Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, I remember Trump telling people at a rally to "march over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.". I remember a minority of the people there rioting and entering the Capitol building. I remember the Biden Department of Justice mistreatment of them and the over prosecutions. And most of all I remember before the than 2024 election, Trump explicitly saying that he would pardon every single one of them on day one. Having won both the electoral and popular vote, I think it's fair to say the American people are in agreement. > ... or that he is literally firing everyone in the FBI who investigated the participants - after pardoning them? Yes and it's good that he's doing it. He ran on a series of explicit promises and one of them was to remove from Washington DC the people on board with the policies of the prior administration. I don't see how anybody that was an active part of the efforts to try to imprison Trump himself or his allies in a direct effort to influence the 2024 election could expect to work for him. That's ridiculous. I also don't think that society is going to fall apart or that we will somehow not have elections in four years. What I think we'll have is a return to normalcy, a respect for individual rights (including both freedom of speech and the right to bear arms), and a significant paring down of unaccountable bloated government programs.
    - lazide 2y ago
andyjohnson0 2y ago
My current thinking for 2028/29: - 20% likelihood of no election at all - 70% "managed democracy" with outcome decided in advance - 10% normal transfer of power if Trump or his successor loses I think they're racing against the mid-terms next year. If they can lock it in by then then they're home free. (disclosure: Brit not USian)
- matwood 2y ago
  > I think they're racing against the mid-terms next year. This is the race. Historically the party in power loses the mid-terms, and I think we're already seeing huge portions of the population having buyers remorse. But, Trumps team knows this. I was waiting for them to attack the FEC, and here we are. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/us/politics/federal-election-commission-weintraub-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/us/politics/federal-elect...
RALaBarge 2y ago
Don't worry! There are a lot of fine patriots with firearms that keep them just in case of such a thing!

lou1306 2y ago

I'm not one of the "guys" as I am from the EU. There is a narrow way through for the US, but treating the incumbent as Just Another Guy is not that.

milesrout 2y ago

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labster 2y ago
So it’s a delusion that the guy who tried to overthrow the vote last time will prevent the next election this time? Tyrants tried multiple times before succeeding in Athens, why not today?
- input_sh 2y ago
  Not to mention specifically saying "you won't have to vote anymore" on multiple occasions.
- milesrout 2y ago
  He didnt try to "overthrow the vote" any more than Clinton did in 2016 or Gore did in 2000.
  - labster 2y ago
    The people whom Trump rallied and told to march to Capitol Hill went there for the express purpose of preventing the results of the people’s vote via the Electoral College from being accepted. This was proven in many courts of law. Not only did Trump prevent the military from responding to the putsch in his benefit until it was clear the effort had failed, he later issued a full pardon to all those involved in the attack on Congress. I can’t remember any Democratic President or candidate thereof in the history of the republic doing anything similar. Can you provide examples?
    - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
      You missed a few things. The whole "alternate electors" thing. That wasn't "just in case the court cases go our way and we turn out to have won the state". No, they were presented as the real electors. How did that happen? It wasn't just a random coincidence that seven different states did that. No, Trump orchestrated that. There was the pressure campaign on Pence. He was told to approve the alternate electors rather than the real ones. Not just once - he was repeatedly told to do that. The riot is minor compared to those two items.
    - milesrout 2y ago
      But he didn't do that. Go and read his actual speech. The words he actually used. He encouraged peaceful protest. Why were fiery riots presented as "mostly peaceful protests" while someone that encouraged people to peacefully protest is held responsible for that protest turning into a riot?
      - Juliate 2y ago
        You’re totally rewriting history here. Given the distance to the events, you cannot do so in good faith.

mongol 2y ago

I am sure there will be elections. Question is how fair they will be. Have a look at Russia's recent presidential election. Putin "winning" it was a given from the start. US voters need to be mindful of all the ways an election can be rigged.

FredFS456 2y ago
IMO US elections have already been less-than-fully-democratic for a while, what with the voting registration and ID nonsense, as well as obvious gerrymandering and voter intimidation. At the very least, significantly less democratic than a number of other western countries.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Let’s stop applying copium to recent events and making excuses. The American people knew exactly what they were getting and voted for him anyway. He won a majority of the popular vote. The Senate is 2 Senators per state regardless of the population and isn’t as susceptible to gerrymandering. That being said, I don’t feel bad for anyone who voted for Trump and is having buyers remorse. We are already seeing it with Arabs in Minnesota who thought Trump would be better for Arabs in Gaza and are now having regrets seeing how Trump wants to use US troops to “clear out Gaza” and Latin Americans who are appalled that he tried to remove birthright citizenship. Next up will be all of the “rural American” voters who are going to bare the brunt of inflationary tariffs.
  - sundaeofshock 2y ago
    He did not get a majority of the vote. He won with a plurality of 49.8%.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      Does that somehow make you feel better about your fellow Americans? Yes I’m a born and bred US citizen. The crap that Michelle Obama and the rest of the DNC spew about “going high when they go low” and “this is not who we are” is just that. This has always been who we are.

koolba 2y ago

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nicce 2y ago
It certainly does not look good for a fair traditional elections. All people in power are currently being replaced with pro-Trump folks.
lazide 2y ago
Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, or that he is literally firing everyone in the FBI who investigated the participants - after pardoning them? What do you think?
- koolba 2y ago
  > Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, I remember Trump telling people at a rally to "march over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.". I remember a minority of the people there rioting and entering the Capitol building. I remember the Biden Department of Justice mistreatment of them and the over prosecutions. And most of all I remember before the than 2024 election, Trump explicitly saying that he would pardon every single one of them on day one. Having won both the electoral and popular vote, I think it's fair to say the American people are in agreement. > ... or that he is literally firing everyone in the FBI who investigated the participants - after pardoning them? Yes and it's good that he's doing it. He ran on a series of explicit promises and one of them was to remove from Washington DC the people on board with the policies of the prior administration. I don't see how anybody that was an active part of the efforts to try to imprison Trump himself or his allies in a direct effort to influence the 2024 election could expect to work for him. That's ridiculous. I also don't think that society is going to fall apart or that we will somehow not have elections in four years. What I think we'll have is a return to normalcy, a respect for individual rights (including both freedom of speech and the right to bear arms), and a significant paring down of unaccountable bloated government programs.
  - lazide 2y ago

andyjohnson0 2y ago

My current thinking for 2028/29: - 20% likelihood of no election at all - 70% "managed democracy" with outcome decided in advance - 10% normal transfer of power if Trump or his successor loses I think they're racing against the mid-terms next year. If they can lock it in by then then they're home free. (disclosure: Brit not USian)

matwood 2y ago
> I think they're racing against the mid-terms next year. This is the race. Historically the party in power loses the mid-terms, and I think we're already seeing huge portions of the population having buyers remorse. But, Trumps team knows this. I was waiting for them to attack the FEC, and here we are. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/us/politics/federal-election-commission-weintraub-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/us/politics/federal-elect...

RALaBarge 2y ago

Don't worry! There are a lot of fine patriots with firearms that keep them just in case of such a thing!