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If I remember correctly, Harvard has immunity to eminent domain under the Massachusetts constitution. Maybe it has a similar right which would make it immune to

If I remember correctly, Harvard has immunity to eminent domain under the Massachusetts constitution. Maybe it has a similar right which would make it immune to such attacks?

black_puppydog 2y ago
That may be so, but given what Trump and Musk have been up to, the situation of the courts, and how they blatantly don't give a f*k about what's constitutional or not, I wouldn't rely on this so-called "immunity".
- 0xEF 2y ago
  I really hope I am wrong, but I'm planning on seeing some headlines about Musk shutting down Harvard next week over this. For anyone who still thinks the existing laws, constitutions and policies mean anything to this current regime, prepare to get some whiplash. They are proving that none of that matters if they simply ignore it and do what they want to do anyway.
  - shakna 2y ago
    It wouldn't be the first time that Musk has called for Harvard to be defunded. [0] [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-calling-for-harvard-defunding-2023-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-calling-for-harvar...
lou1306 2y ago
I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physically destroy this data is in their best interest, they will do so and handle the courts later. Just stop pretending they will play by the book.
- squigz 2y ago
  How do you recommend engaging with the situation then? Throw out the book too?
  - maaaaattttt 2y ago
    Not OP but torrent would be my go to for a short term solution.
    - anonzzzies 2y ago
      Torrent would do it but 16TB is still not that cheap to just have running in your house nas (otherwise I would).
      - lou1306 2y ago
        Of course this is more of a job for responsible universities/libraries/research centres around the world, rather than single individuals. I would be surprised if Harvard didn't already go through their contact list to ensure as many copies are being made as possible.
      - bilekas 2y ago
        Torrent would definitely be a great approach, 16TB is a commitment, but there's no problem with partial seeding also. I would choose selective chunks which consist of completed files.
      - IsTom 2y ago
        You can download and share only selected parts of a torrent. With enough people you're going to get full coverage anyway.
        nicce 2y ago
        Assuming that people randomly select the portions.
        2y ago

If I remember correctly, Harvard has immunity to eminent domain under the Massachusetts constitution. Maybe it has a similar right which would make it immune to such attacks?

black_puppydog 2y ago

That may be so, but given what Trump and Musk have been up to, the situation of the courts, and how they blatantly don't give a f*k about what's constitutional or not, I wouldn't rely on this so-called "immunity".

0xEF 2y ago
I really hope I am wrong, but I'm planning on seeing some headlines about Musk shutting down Harvard next week over this. For anyone who still thinks the existing laws, constitutions and policies mean anything to this current regime, prepare to get some whiplash. They are proving that none of that matters if they simply ignore it and do what they want to do anyway.
- shakna 2y ago
  It wouldn't be the first time that Musk has called for Harvard to be defunded. [0] [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-calling-for-harvard-defunding-2023-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-calling-for-harvar...

lou1306 2y ago

I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physically destroy this data is in their best interest, they will do so and handle the courts later. Just stop pretending they will play by the book.

squigz 2y ago
How do you recommend engaging with the situation then? Throw out the book too?
- maaaaattttt 2y ago
  Not OP but torrent would be my go to for a short term solution.
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    Torrent would do it but 16TB is still not that cheap to just have running in your house nas (otherwise I would).
    - lou1306 2y ago
      Of course this is more of a job for responsible universities/libraries/research centres around the world, rather than single individuals. I would be surprised if Harvard didn't already go through their contact list to ensure as many copies are being made as possible.
    - bilekas 2y ago
      Torrent would definitely be a great approach, 16TB is a commitment, but there's no problem with partial seeding also. I would choose selective chunks which consist of completed files.
    - IsTom 2y ago
      You can download and share only selected parts of a torrent. With enough people you're going to get full coverage anyway.
      - nicce 2y ago
        Assuming that people randomly select the portions.
      - 2y ago