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Democrats either already own EV's or will buy EV's anyway. The open question is does EV adoption go up among Republicans. I think it will, though I don't know t

Democrats either already own EV's or will buy EV's anyway. The open question is does EV adoption go up among Republicans. I think it will, though I don't know to what extent. In general, I find surveys or self-reported data to be poor predictors of behavior.

jgilias 2y ago
There are other EVs on the market. Much more reliable ones too. I’m actually amazed they’ve managed to pull off being the least reliable used car, given that the “competitors” have a lot more moving parts: https://en.cebia.com/detailArticle/the-most-and-least-reliable-used-cars-according-to-tuv-report-2025 https://en.cebia.com/detailArticle/the-most-and-least-reliab...
echelon 2y ago
> Democrats [...] will buy EV's anyway Tesla competitors. Giving fuel to the broader market, decreasing Tesla's market share, and calling into question the bull case for Tesla's highly inflated P/E ratio.
- diebeforei485 2y ago
  We will see! I think Tesla will be just fine, they keep cutting manufacturing costs and therefore prices.
  - Dudelander 2y ago
    Maybe in the long run but right now their stock is tanking.
kemayo 2y ago
Trump seems to be somewhat anti-EV (or, at least, doesn't want to push them in the same way Biden did), so it wouldn't surprise me if Republicans took their cues from him and stayed away. e.g. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5272749/donald-trump-ev-electric-vehicles-subsidies-auto-industry https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5272749/donald-trump-ev...
toomuchtodo 2y ago
https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 (draw your attention to the center of the graphic, Republican vs Democrat, as it relates to who would consider purchasing an EV) About 3 in 10 Americans would seriously consider buying an electric vehicle - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-in-10-americans-would-seriously-consider-buying-an-electric-vehicle/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-i... - June 27, 2024
- diebeforei485 2y ago
  A lot has happened politically since June 2024 when it comes to Elon Musk.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    If the thought is this is more favorable for the Tesla brand based on Elon’s actions, I argue no. Republicans, based on the data, were not enthusiastic to begin with for EVs (77% indicating they were not likely to buy an EV). Also, based on the income and wealth data for right leaning households, I would be cautious to assume they have the purchasing power for what Tesla’s market segment offers. https://news.gallup.com/poll/643334/ownership-ticks-fewer-nonowners-buy-one.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/643334/ownership-ticks-fewer-no... https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-u-s-median-income-in-blue-red-and-swing-states/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-u-s-median-income-in...
jimmydoe 2y ago
I think you are likely correct. Marketing for Green can only get you so far, next marketing push is Patriotism. I don’t like Musk, but he is a marketing genius of this era.
- timeon 2y ago
  How is Nazi salute Patriotism?
  - jimmydoe 2y ago
    My point was it can be marketed as Patriotism, and I'm sure enough number of targeted audience will buy that bs.
- Dudelander 2y ago
  I think the myth of Elon's genius has been utterly shattered by the Path of Exile 2 debacle. Turns out faking it until you make it can take you all the way to the top.
pragmatic 2y ago
Why say Democrats? I know plenty of Republicans that feel that way. Putting people in neat boxes is a major reason that Trump is president. People are more alike than different. All it takes is the majority of people to wake up and say "no thanks, this is too crazy"
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  It was more like “No thanks, I vote for crazy.” I swing right on a lot of things (I voted against democrats in local/state races), but I couldn’t fathom how anyone would see a second trump term as anything more than the chaotic mess the last one was.

jgilias 2y ago

There are other EVs on the market. Much more reliable ones too. I’m actually amazed they’ve managed to pull off being the least reliable used car, given that the “competitors” have a lot more moving parts: https://en.cebia.com/detailArticle/the-most-and-least-reliable-used-cars-according-to-tuv-report-2025 https://en.cebia.com/detailArticle/the-most-and-least-reliab...

echelon 2y ago

> Democrats [...] will buy EV's anyway Tesla competitors. Giving fuel to the broader market, decreasing Tesla's market share, and calling into question the bull case for Tesla's highly inflated P/E ratio.

diebeforei485 2y ago
We will see! I think Tesla will be just fine, they keep cutting manufacturing costs and therefore prices.
- Dudelander 2y ago
  Maybe in the long run but right now their stock is tanking.

kemayo 2y ago

Trump seems to be somewhat anti-EV (or, at least, doesn't want to push them in the same way Biden did), so it wouldn't surprise me if Republicans took their cues from him and stayed away. e.g. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5272749/donald-trump-ev-electric-vehicles-subsidies-auto-industry https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5272749/donald-trump-ev...

toomuchtodo 2y ago

https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=179415 (draw your attention to the center of the graphic, Republican vs Democrat, as it relates to who would consider purchasing an EV) About 3 in 10 Americans would seriously consider buying an electric vehicle - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-in-10-americans-would-seriously-consider-buying-an-electric-vehicle/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-i... - June 27, 2024

diebeforei485 2y ago
A lot has happened politically since June 2024 when it comes to Elon Musk.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  If the thought is this is more favorable for the Tesla brand based on Elon’s actions, I argue no. Republicans, based on the data, were not enthusiastic to begin with for EVs (77% indicating they were not likely to buy an EV). Also, based on the income and wealth data for right leaning households, I would be cautious to assume they have the purchasing power for what Tesla’s market segment offers. https://news.gallup.com/poll/643334/ownership-ticks-fewer-nonowners-buy-one.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/643334/ownership-ticks-fewer-no... https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-u-s-median-income-in-blue-red-and-swing-states/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-u-s-median-income-in...

jimmydoe 2y ago

I think you are likely correct. Marketing for Green can only get you so far, next marketing push is Patriotism. I don’t like Musk, but he is a marketing genius of this era.

timeon 2y ago
How is Nazi salute Patriotism?
- jimmydoe 2y ago
  My point was it can be marketed as Patriotism, and I'm sure enough number of targeted audience will buy that bs.
Dudelander 2y ago
I think the myth of Elon's genius has been utterly shattered by the Path of Exile 2 debacle. Turns out faking it until you make it can take you all the way to the top.

pragmatic 2y ago

Why say Democrats? I know plenty of Republicans that feel that way. Putting people in neat boxes is a major reason that Trump is president. People are more alike than different. All it takes is the majority of people to wake up and say "no thanks, this is too crazy"

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
It was more like “No thanks, I vote for crazy.” I swing right on a lot of things (I voted against democrats in local/state races), but I couldn’t fathom how anyone would see a second trump term as anything more than the chaotic mess the last one was.