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If you're having a team going into every bit of government data, you might want to vet them. Beyond eugenicists and racists, if they're getting anywhere close t

If you're having a team going into every bit of government data, you might want to vet them. Beyond eugenicists and racists, if they're getting anywhere close to SCIFs, make sure they fill out that SF-86 accurately. And maybe even if they're not, have them go through regular clearance procedures. Yes, it takes time. But right now, DOGE seems like a huge security risk for the USG what with it setting up backdoors everywhere, and with unvetted staff working for it.

JohnTHaller 2y ago
Also worth noting that he made these posts before Musk hired him. And that they didn't fire him.
DonHopkins 2y ago
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- nullc 2y ago
  Sources? Or are you just knowingly spreading false and defamatory claims?
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    "Sources? Or are you just knowingly spreaing false and defamatory claims because you feel emotional or want to signal your political affiliation?" -You, nullc aka Greg Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>, before being flagged for hysterically and partisanly carrying Musk's water, and then ninja-editing your comment so as not to appear to be hypocritical for feeling emotional or signaling your political affiliation. Sources: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/doge-staffer-out-after-social-media-posts-unearthed-normalize-indian-hate/ https://www.mediaite.com/politics/doge-staffer-out-after-soc... >"Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool.” -@nullllptr >“Normalize Indian hate." -@nullllptr >"You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity." -@nullllptr https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 >"Pedo guy." -Elon Musk https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender... >"not a girl", "dead, killed by the woke mind virus" -Elon Musk >[Musk's own estranged daughter] Wilson, 20, in an exclusive interview with NBC News, responded to comments Musk made Monday about her and her transgender identity. On social media and in an interview posted online, Musk said she was “not a girl” and was figuratively “dead,” and he alleged that he had been “tricked” into authorizing trans-related medical treatment for her when she was 16. >“I was in fourth grade. We went on this road trip that I didn’t know was actually just an advertisement for one of the cars — I don’t remember which one — and he was constantly yelling at me viciously because my voice was too high,” she said. “It was cruel.” >“I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form,” she said in the court filing. >“I lost my son, essentially,” Musk said. He used Wilson’s birth name, also known as a deadname for transgender people, and said she was “dead, killed by the woke mind virus.” >And in a post on X, Musk said Monday that Wilson was “born gay and slightly autistic” and that, at age 4, she fit certain gay stereotypes, such as loving musicals and using the exclamation “fabulous!” to describe certain clothing. Wilson told NBC News that the anecdotes aren’t true, though she said she did act stereotypically feminine in other ways as a child. >“He doesn’t know what I was like as a child because he quite simply wasn’t there,” she wrote. “And in the little time that he was I was relentlessly harassed for my femininity and queerness.” >“I’ve been reduced to a happy little stereotype,” she continued. “I think that says alot about how he views queer people and children in general.”
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
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- Nevermark 2y ago
  I wish that made no sense. But instead we get dark synergy… Cruelty is the point. Chaos is the point. Stupidity is the point. Lies are the point. Racism/anti-“different” (including different ideas) is the point. Impunity is the point. Destruction is the point. What they have in common are in-our-face demonstrations of centralizing power, designed to encourage their base vicariously while stealing their lunch. And discourage, silence, excommunicate, dis-home and dis-connect any competent detractors in any branch of government or appropriately hard news. They know the value of cutting the cost of everything, with no concept of the loss of value sans anything.
  - marcusverus 2y ago
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    - Nevermark 2y ago
      Consistently hiring personally-loyal non-competent people with sketchy, crime-adjacent backgrounds, with histories of highly flexible loony tune views, isn’t an accident. It isn’t at all difficult to recognize. It shouldn’t be hard to understand either. It is a very effective way to centralize power by replacing institutions with pawns. Nor is the chaos being inflicted on those same institutions by targeted and random decrees. That many are vague and unbalancing is intentional. The aim isn’t to improve them, right-size them, or accomplish any national mission, etc. That would be a disaster if that was his goal. It is to kill any resistance to Trump in a way the constitution really has no effective response for. As his power centralizes he will use his increased power to go after the next level of “threats” to his unmitigated power. Where this stops, isn’t predictable. But given the chance, he won’t stop. Regardless of your politics, it is an interesting historical moment, and worth seeing clearly. Trump is largely competently centralizing power to a degree we have not seen since Washington was given the greenfield mandate in which to oversee the raising up of our Constitutional institutions. An ironic difference from now. If you want to understand the challenges and means of accruing power (with non-partisan, non-current-event nuance, and as it applies in any form of government), I recommend: The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics [0] It says “Dictator’s” but the book covers every type of government and the principles and resulting plays apply to all. And there is always Machiavelli. [0] https://a.co/d/gWKzfuz https://a.co/d/gWKzfuz
exceptione 2y ago
I see your point, but talking about risks after a de-facto heist could easily lead to misunderstandings. This intelligence operation is a done deal. If concerned people debate future risks instead, the other team has scored an A+. If you want to mitigate what had happened, you need to bring your own extremely resourced criminals. I really feel sorry for all affected.
ilaksh 2y ago
My take is that we actually need more efficiency in government, and from a technology standpoint, they might have some good ideas. I have a very pro-technology worldview. I'm independent leaning left but I thought that Democrats have been extreme, wasteful and untrustworthy in their own ways. It's very unfortunate that this stuff like efficiency and technology integration is now associated so closely with neo-Nazis. Maybe I just didn't want to believe it. But when Musk did those Hitler salutes, I had to accept a new reality. I don't think cutting programs or screwing up code is our main worry. The Secretary of Defense is literally an alcoholic neo-Nazi Crusader who talks about almost nothing besides getting rid of affirmative action and how evil Muslims are. I am scared that they will actually try to deport millions of people, there could be massive detainment camps that become concentration camps. You only need a lack of food and one or two really serious neo-Nazis for that to become a death camp. I am also afraid that they might trigger WWIII, fully fueled by racial hatred and dehumanization of Chinese people. I am almost scared to write posts like this because who knows if they will start hunting down people from the internet.
- exceptione 2y ago
  > It's very unfortunate that this stuff like efficiency and technology integration is now associated so closely with neo-Nazis Do not mistake the Nazi's too. They were very efficient and highly organized. IBM played a great role in delivering the tech the Nazi's needed.
  - ilaksh 2y ago
    Maybe it's not that new then.. after all, I guess the Nazis did a lot of great work on rockets.. but very unfortunate. That association clouds people's views of technology in general. Technology itself is not biased or ignorant or evil. It's a lever. It should be able to help everyone.
  - rapnie 2y ago
    Undoubtedly the IBM's of today are primed and ready to get the train rolling again. It is hard to be pro-technology realizing that the ownership of all that tech is ultimately the brainworm billionaire class. Who we already know are fascists.. as per daily news.
ethagnawl 2y ago
That these concerns are being dismissed as partisan shows how far through the looking glass we truly are. Either _the party of law and order_ doesn't understand how risky this activity is, doesn't care or both -- any of which are _extremely_ troubling. We should also all be sure to keep this in mind next time they're crying crocodile tears about TikTok or DeepSeek. I just emailed my representative (Mike Lawler) and I suggest everyone who's concerned about this activity and capable of offering compelling insights into why this activity (active data breach) is so concerning do the same. Perhaps they're somehow blissfully unaware of the security implications of these folks accessing data (it's only read-only access, though, so don't worry! /s), copying it to ... wherever?, running it through ChatGPT or tinkering in production on critical Cobol systems is and we can enlighten them.
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- mullingitover 2y ago
  > Either _the party of law and order_ doesn't understand how risky this activity is, doesn't care or both If they hadn't already obviously ceded that title before 2025, they certainly did when over a thousand duly convicted violent partisan offenders were pardoned. These weren't just random people, they were accomplices of the person who pardoned them. We're in an autocratic United States now, where no crime, no matter how violent, committed by members of the regime will be prosecuted.
  - travismark 2y ago
    a president cannot pardon or commute state crimes. most states have crimes against violence
    - brewdad 2y ago
      The majority of governors are all in on this new Republicanism. They can pardon any crime that Trump can't. Blue state governors can be leaned on extremely hard and most will have to give in if their Federal dollars are on the line. This isn't 2006 anymore.
kenjackson 2y ago
What makes you think they weren't vetted and this isn't what they wanted?
gorbachev 2y ago
Why do you think they didn't?
belter 2y ago
"Vance tells Musk that DOGE staffer who resigned after posting racist tweets should be rehired" - https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/07/elon-musk-doge-racist-treasury-x-staff.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/07/elon-musk-doge-racist-treasu...

JohnTHaller 2y ago

Also worth noting that he made these posts before Musk hired him. And that they didn't fire him.

DonHopkins 2y ago

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nullc 2y ago
Sources? Or are you just knowingly spreading false and defamatory claims?
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  "Sources? Or are you just knowingly spreaing false and defamatory claims because you feel emotional or want to signal your political affiliation?" -You, nullc aka Greg Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>, before being flagged for hysterically and partisanly carrying Musk's water, and then ninja-editing your comment so as not to appear to be hypocritical for feeling emotional or signaling your political affiliation. Sources: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/doge-staffer-out-after-social-media-posts-unearthed-normalize-indian-hate/ https://www.mediaite.com/politics/doge-staffer-out-after-soc... >"Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool.” -@nullllptr >“Normalize Indian hate." -@nullllptr >"You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity." -@nullllptr https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 >"Pedo guy." -Elon Musk https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender... >"not a girl", "dead, killed by the woke mind virus" -Elon Musk >[Musk's own estranged daughter] Wilson, 20, in an exclusive interview with NBC News, responded to comments Musk made Monday about her and her transgender identity. On social media and in an interview posted online, Musk said she was “not a girl” and was figuratively “dead,” and he alleged that he had been “tricked” into authorizing trans-related medical treatment for her when she was 16. >“I was in fourth grade. We went on this road trip that I didn’t know was actually just an advertisement for one of the cars — I don’t remember which one — and he was constantly yelling at me viciously because my voice was too high,” she said. “It was cruel.” >“I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form,” she said in the court filing. >“I lost my son, essentially,” Musk said. He used Wilson’s birth name, also known as a deadname for transgender people, and said she was “dead, killed by the woke mind virus.” >And in a post on X, Musk said Monday that Wilson was “born gay and slightly autistic” and that, at age 4, she fit certain gay stereotypes, such as loving musicals and using the exclamation “fabulous!” to describe certain clothing. Wilson told NBC News that the anecdotes aren’t true, though she said she did act stereotypically feminine in other ways as a child. >“He doesn’t know what I was like as a child because he quite simply wasn’t there,” she wrote. “And in the little time that he was I was relentlessly harassed for my femininity and queerness.” >“I’ve been reduced to a happy little stereotype,” she continued. “I think that says alot about how he views queer people and children in general.”
- DonHopkins 2y ago
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Nevermark 2y ago
I wish that made no sense. But instead we get dark synergy… Cruelty is the point. Chaos is the point. Stupidity is the point. Lies are the point. Racism/anti-“different” (including different ideas) is the point. Impunity is the point. Destruction is the point. What they have in common are in-our-face demonstrations of centralizing power, designed to encourage their base vicariously while stealing their lunch. And discourage, silence, excommunicate, dis-home and dis-connect any competent detractors in any branch of government or appropriately hard news. They know the value of cutting the cost of everything, with no concept of the loss of value sans anything.
- marcusverus 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - Nevermark 2y ago
    Consistently hiring personally-loyal non-competent people with sketchy, crime-adjacent backgrounds, with histories of highly flexible loony tune views, isn’t an accident. It isn’t at all difficult to recognize. It shouldn’t be hard to understand either. It is a very effective way to centralize power by replacing institutions with pawns. Nor is the chaos being inflicted on those same institutions by targeted and random decrees. That many are vague and unbalancing is intentional. The aim isn’t to improve them, right-size them, or accomplish any national mission, etc. That would be a disaster if that was his goal. It is to kill any resistance to Trump in a way the constitution really has no effective response for. As his power centralizes he will use his increased power to go after the next level of “threats” to his unmitigated power. Where this stops, isn’t predictable. But given the chance, he won’t stop. Regardless of your politics, it is an interesting historical moment, and worth seeing clearly. Trump is largely competently centralizing power to a degree we have not seen since Washington was given the greenfield mandate in which to oversee the raising up of our Constitutional institutions. An ironic difference from now. If you want to understand the challenges and means of accruing power (with non-partisan, non-current-event nuance, and as it applies in any form of government), I recommend: The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics [0] It says “Dictator’s” but the book covers every type of government and the principles and resulting plays apply to all. And there is always Machiavelli. [0] https://a.co/d/gWKzfuz https://a.co/d/gWKzfuz

exceptione 2y ago

I see your point, but talking about risks after a de-facto heist could easily lead to misunderstandings. This intelligence operation is a done deal. If concerned people debate future risks instead, the other team has scored an A+. If you want to mitigate what had happened, you need to bring your own extremely resourced criminals. I really feel sorry for all affected.

ilaksh 2y ago

My take is that we actually need more efficiency in government, and from a technology standpoint, they might have some good ideas. I have a very pro-technology worldview. I'm independent leaning left but I thought that Democrats have been extreme, wasteful and untrustworthy in their own ways. It's very unfortunate that this stuff like efficiency and technology integration is now associated so closely with neo-Nazis. Maybe I just didn't want to believe it. But when Musk did those Hitler salutes, I had to accept a new reality. I don't think cutting programs or screwing up code is our main worry. The Secretary of Defense is literally an alcoholic neo-Nazi Crusader who talks about almost nothing besides getting rid of affirmative action and how evil Muslims are. I am scared that they will actually try to deport millions of people, there could be massive detainment camps that become concentration camps. You only need a lack of food and one or two really serious neo-Nazis for that to become a death camp. I am also afraid that they might trigger WWIII, fully fueled by racial hatred and dehumanization of Chinese people. I am almost scared to write posts like this because who knows if they will start hunting down people from the internet.

exceptione 2y ago
> It's very unfortunate that this stuff like efficiency and technology integration is now associated so closely with neo-Nazis Do not mistake the Nazi's too. They were very efficient and highly organized. IBM played a great role in delivering the tech the Nazi's needed.
- ilaksh 2y ago
  Maybe it's not that new then.. after all, I guess the Nazis did a lot of great work on rockets.. but very unfortunate. That association clouds people's views of technology in general. Technology itself is not biased or ignorant or evil. It's a lever. It should be able to help everyone.
- rapnie 2y ago
  Undoubtedly the IBM's of today are primed and ready to get the train rolling again. It is hard to be pro-technology realizing that the ownership of all that tech is ultimately the brainworm billionaire class. Who we already know are fascists.. as per daily news.

ethagnawl 2y ago

That these concerns are being dismissed as partisan shows how far through the looking glass we truly are. Either _the party of law and order_ doesn't understand how risky this activity is, doesn't care or both -- any of which are _extremely_ troubling. We should also all be sure to keep this in mind next time they're crying crocodile tears about TikTok or DeepSeek. I just emailed my representative (Mike Lawler) and I suggest everyone who's concerned about this activity and capable of offering compelling insights into why this activity (active data breach) is so concerning do the same. Perhaps they're somehow blissfully unaware of the security implications of these folks accessing data (it's only read-only access, though, so don't worry! /s), copying it to ... wherever?, running it through ChatGPT or tinkering in production on critical Cobol systems is and we can enlighten them.

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mullingitover 2y ago
> Either _the party of law and order_ doesn't understand how risky this activity is, doesn't care or both If they hadn't already obviously ceded that title before 2025, they certainly did when over a thousand duly convicted violent partisan offenders were pardoned. These weren't just random people, they were accomplices of the person who pardoned them. We're in an autocratic United States now, where no crime, no matter how violent, committed by members of the regime will be prosecuted.
- travismark 2y ago
  a president cannot pardon or commute state crimes. most states have crimes against violence
  - brewdad 2y ago
    The majority of governors are all in on this new Republicanism. They can pardon any crime that Trump can't. Blue state governors can be leaned on extremely hard and most will have to give in if their Federal dollars are on the line. This isn't 2006 anymore.

kenjackson 2y ago

What makes you think they weren't vetted and this isn't what they wanted?

gorbachev 2y ago

Why do you think they didn't?

belter 2y ago

"Vance tells Musk that DOGE staffer who resigned after posting racist tweets should be rehired" - https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/07/elon-musk-doge-racist-treasury-x-staff.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/07/elon-musk-doge-racist-treasu...