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The Gazans voted for Hamas as their leaders knowing their genocidal policy towards Jews. The October 7 attack was popular among Palestinians including Gazans at

The Gazans voted for Hamas as their leaders knowing their genocidal policy towards Jews. The October 7 attack was popular among Palestinians including Gazans at first. Less so now. It is fair then to say that the Gazans bear some responsibility for the attack. Also, the IDF are targeting Hamas, not the Gazans as a whole. Additional civilian deaths are caused by the cowardly tactics of Hamas to use human shields. The Gazans knew that Hamas used these tactics when they voted for them. Again, you reap what you sow.

immibis 2y ago
So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?
- edanm 2y ago
  > So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. I'm not going to speak for the parent poster, but I think the more legitimate Israeli position here isn't that Gaza deserves to be genocided, but it is legitimate to go to war with it to remove its rulers given their invasion of Israel. Israelis in general don't agree that what is happening is a genocide, as opposed to the terrible cost of a legitimate war. > Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? > Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, everything since then has been part of the campaign that happened because of October 7th.
  - immibis 2y ago
    >> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? > Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, they did > and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, Haifa Massacre 1937 Jerusalem Massacre 1937 Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1947 Abbasiya Massacre 1947 Al-Khisas Massacre 1947 Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947 Jerusalem Massacre 1947 Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947 Jaffa Massacre 1948 Deir Yassin Massacre 1948 Tantura Massacre 1948 Khan Yunis Massacre 1956 Jerusalem Massacre 1967 Bahro Al Baquar 1972 Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982 Al Aqsa Mosque Massacre 1990 Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994 Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002 Gaza Massacre 2008-09 Gaza Massacre 2012 Gaza Massacre 2014 Gaza Massacre 2018-19 Gaza Massacre 2021 Gaza Massacre 2023 This list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.
    - Ste_Tokyo 2y ago
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    - edanm 2y ago
      Firstly, this list is completely one-sided. If you actually think you're right, why not write something real? Do you honestly think this is a good representation of reality? It's like writing down a list of Allied attacks in WW2. Secondly, what do you think this proves in terms of whether there is a war? Again, I can make a similar list of battles in WW2. Does that mean WW2 is still happening? Obviously not. A bunch of what you wrote is before Israel was even founded. At least one is a (horrendous) terrorist attack carried out by an Israeli, but not by Israel. A bunch of them are from the war that followed Israeli independence, when multiple Arab nations attacked Israel. The biggest country that attacked Israel in that war iirc - Egypt - has had a peace agreement with Israel for 40 years! You could say there is a war with Hamas, though officially there was a ceasefire following the previous fighting, which you call - for some reason - the "Gaza Massacre 2021").
- Ste_Tokyo 2y ago
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immibis 2y ago

So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?

edanm 2y ago
> So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. I'm not going to speak for the parent poster, but I think the more legitimate Israeli position here isn't that Gaza deserves to be genocided, but it is legitimate to go to war with it to remove its rulers given their invasion of Israel. Israelis in general don't agree that what is happening is a genocide, as opposed to the terrible cost of a legitimate war. > Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? > Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, everything since then has been part of the campaign that happened because of October 7th.
- immibis 2y ago
  >> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? > Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, they did > and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, Haifa Massacre 1937 Jerusalem Massacre 1937 Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1947 Abbasiya Massacre 1947 Al-Khisas Massacre 1947 Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947 Jerusalem Massacre 1947 Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947 Jaffa Massacre 1948 Deir Yassin Massacre 1948 Tantura Massacre 1948 Khan Yunis Massacre 1956 Jerusalem Massacre 1967 Bahro Al Baquar 1972 Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982 Al Aqsa Mosque Massacre 1990 Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994 Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002 Gaza Massacre 2008-09 Gaza Massacre 2012 Gaza Massacre 2014 Gaza Massacre 2018-19 Gaza Massacre 2021 Gaza Massacre 2023 This list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.
  - Ste_Tokyo 2y ago
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  - edanm 2y ago
    Firstly, this list is completely one-sided. If you actually think you're right, why not write something real? Do you honestly think this is a good representation of reality? It's like writing down a list of Allied attacks in WW2. Secondly, what do you think this proves in terms of whether there is a war? Again, I can make a similar list of battles in WW2. Does that mean WW2 is still happening? Obviously not. A bunch of what you wrote is before Israel was even founded. At least one is a (horrendous) terrorist attack carried out by an Israeli, but not by Israel. A bunch of them are from the war that followed Israeli independence, when multiple Arab nations attacked Israel. The biggest country that attacked Israel in that war iirc - Egypt - has had a peace agreement with Israel for 40 years! You could say there is a war with Hamas, though officially there was a ceasefire following the previous fighting, which you call - for some reason - the "Gaza Massacre 2021").
Ste_Tokyo 2y ago
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