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The Palestinians are in the situation they are in because of their own choices, not because of some Greater Israel plan which the poster seems to think is the r

The Palestinians are in the situation they are in because of their own choices, not because of some Greater Israel plan which the poster seems to think is the reason. The German people and the Japanese people suffered similar privations in WW2 - shouldn’t have attacked Poland and Pearl Harbor then. Choices have consequences. Do you see this rather simple point now?

edanm 2y ago
> Do you see this rather simple point now? There's no need to talk to me in this way, either. Whether or not you're right, you're not doing your arguments any favor by being mean to other commenters with no reason.
- Ste_Tokyo 2y ago
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  - edanm 2y ago
    > Now do you see, my darling? Once again, your argument aside, your way of speaking is the issue here. If you think you're winning anyone to your arguments in this way, you're wrong. > And point two is that if you see these facts and decide that you support the Gazans, then you are not holding a different view, you are guilty of being an apologist to Ghengis Khan-level savagery and therefore are deserving of condemnation. No, your point is wrong. You switched between talking about Hamas to talking about Gazans. It is entirely consistent to be against Hamas but still support Gazans. In fact, some people claim that supporting Gazans means being against Hamas, because of Hamas's brutal dictatorship over the Gazans.
    - Ste_Tokyo 2y ago
      The Gazans voted for Hamas as their leaders knowing their genocidal policy towards Jews. The October 7 attack was popular among Palestinians including Gazans at first. Less so now. It is fair then to say that the Gazans bear some responsibility for the attack. Also, the IDF are targeting Hamas, not the Gazans as a whole. Additional civilian deaths are caused by the cowardly tactics of Hamas to use human shields. The Gazans knew that Hamas used these tactics when they voted for them. Again, you reap what you sow.
      - immibis 2y ago
        So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?
        edanm 2y ago
        > So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. I'm not going to speak for the parent poster, but I think the more legitimate Israeli position here isn't that Gaza deserves to be genocided, but it is legitimate to go to war with it to remove its rulers given their invasion of Israel. Israelis in general don't agree that what is happening is a genocide, as opposed to the terrible cost of a legitimate war. > Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? > Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, everything since then has been part of the campaign that happened because of October 7th.
        immibis 2y ago
        >> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? > Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, they did > and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, Haifa Massacre 1937 Jerusalem Massacre 1937 Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1947 Abbasiya Massacre 1947 Al-Khisas Massacre 1947 Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947 Jerusalem Massacre 1947 Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947 Jaffa Massacre 1948 Deir Yassin Massacre 1948 Tantura Massacre 1948 Khan Yunis Massacre 1956 Jerusalem Massacre 1967 Bahro Al Baquar 1972 Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982 Al Aqsa Mosque Massacre 1990 Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994 Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002 Gaza Massacre 2008-09 Gaza Massacre 2012 Gaza Massacre 2014 Gaza Massacre 2018-19 Gaza Massacre 2021 Gaza Massacre 2023 This list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.

edanm 2y ago

> Do you see this rather simple point now? There's no need to talk to me in this way, either. Whether or not you're right, you're not doing your arguments any favor by being mean to other commenters with no reason.

Ste_Tokyo 2y ago
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- edanm 2y ago
  > Now do you see, my darling? Once again, your argument aside, your way of speaking is the issue here. If you think you're winning anyone to your arguments in this way, you're wrong. > And point two is that if you see these facts and decide that you support the Gazans, then you are not holding a different view, you are guilty of being an apologist to Ghengis Khan-level savagery and therefore are deserving of condemnation. No, your point is wrong. You switched between talking about Hamas to talking about Gazans. It is entirely consistent to be against Hamas but still support Gazans. In fact, some people claim that supporting Gazans means being against Hamas, because of Hamas's brutal dictatorship over the Gazans.
  - Ste_Tokyo 2y ago
    The Gazans voted for Hamas as their leaders knowing their genocidal policy towards Jews. The October 7 attack was popular among Palestinians including Gazans at first. Less so now. It is fair then to say that the Gazans bear some responsibility for the attack. Also, the IDF are targeting Hamas, not the Gazans as a whole. Additional civilian deaths are caused by the cowardly tactics of Hamas to use human shields. The Gazans knew that Hamas used these tactics when they voted for them. Again, you reap what you sow.
    - immibis 2y ago
      So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?
      - edanm 2y ago
        > So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis. I'm not going to speak for the parent poster, but I think the more legitimate Israeli position here isn't that Gaza deserves to be genocided, but it is legitimate to go to war with it to remove its rulers given their invasion of Israel. Israelis in general don't agree that what is happening is a genocide, as opposed to the terrible cost of a legitimate war. > Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around? > Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, everything since then has been part of the campaign that happened because of October 7th.
        immibis 2y ago
        >> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023? > Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, they did > and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, Haifa Massacre 1937 Jerusalem Massacre 1937 Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1939 Haifa Massacre 1947 Abbasiya Massacre 1947 Al-Khisas Massacre 1947 Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947 Jerusalem Massacre 1947 Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947 Jaffa Massacre 1948 Deir Yassin Massacre 1948 Tantura Massacre 1948 Khan Yunis Massacre 1956 Jerusalem Massacre 1967 Bahro Al Baquar 1972 Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982 Al Aqsa Mosque Massacre 1990 Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994 Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002 Gaza Massacre 2008-09 Gaza Massacre 2012 Gaza Massacre 2014 Gaza Massacre 2018-19 Gaza Massacre 2021 Gaza Massacre 2023 This list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.