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Is this where we're at now? Thinking that the new administration will just openly refuse to pay people's salaries as part of a formal deal?

NickC25 2y ago
Donald Trump is known for stiffing people. His administration will reflect his pettiness.
eigart 2y ago
Yes.
ceejayoz 2y ago
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/... > Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them. > In addition to the lawsuits, the review found more than 200 mechanic’s liens — filed by contractors and employees against Trump, his companies or his properties claiming they were owed money for their work — since the 1980s. The liens range from a $75,000 claim by a Plainview, N.Y., air conditioning and heating company to a $1 million claim from the president of a New York City real estate banking firm. On just one project, Trump’s Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, records released by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1990 show that at least 253 subcontractors weren’t paid in full or on time, including workers who installed walls, chandeliers and plumbing. > In courtroom testimony, the manager of the general contractor for the Doral renovation admitted that a decision was made not to pay The Paint Spot because Trump “already paid enough.” As the construction manager spoke, “Trump’s trial attorneys visibly winced, began breathing heavily, and attempted to make eye contact” with the witness, the judge noted in his ruling.
kgermino 2y ago
The offer mirrors Elon's offer to Twitter employees and many of them did not receive the money they were promised. Elon doesn't have the legal authority to make this offer today, it's poorly defined, and not a standard separation policy for federal employees. I'm not saying they won't be paid out, but I would't bet my livelihood on it
- neom 2y ago
  I looked into this and I find it kinda confusing. https://employmentlawweekly.com/uncategorized/500-million-severance-pay-lawsuit-against-elon-musk-dismissed/ https://employmentlawweekly.com/uncategorized/500-million-se... && https://www.bloomberglaw.com/public/desktop/document/McMillianvMusketalDocketNo323cv03461NDCalJul122023CourtDocket/2?doc_id=X5EMETO5DT7818OU0HMVKH4VEB5 https://www.bloomberglaw.com/public/desktop/document/McMilli...
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Litigation is ongoing; the class action was dismissed on standing grounds. Individual cases are going through arbitration now instead. Some are winning: https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2024/09/24/794157.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2024/09/24/79...
snakeyjake 2y ago
>Thinking that the new administration will just openly refuse to pay people's salaries as part of a formal deal? The chief executive of the new administration is literally and actually widely known for doing that exact thing repeatedly, for decades and decades, up to and including screwing local municipalities who entered into binding legal agreements with him to incur expenses to be repaid in full as part of his campaign. This is not bias or propaganda it is fact.
miltonlost 2y ago
Do you know who the President and his crony is? Have you seen Musk and Trump lie, repeatedly, about paying invoices and stiffing people? Have you seen Musk not pay his Twitter employees after he took over? Do you have a memory problem?
dekhn 2y ago
Yes, that is the most probable outcome.
roughly 2y ago
All of that's handled by the treasury department payment systems, so as long as those are left alone, I'm sure it'll be fine.
- evan_ 2y ago
  I have some very bad news for you.
drawkward 2y ago
Why would you believe otherwise? Trump is notorious for nonpayment, and Elon doesn't exactly have a good record in that area w/r/t Twitter's severed employees. Sure, historically, you might claim something about the government meeting its obligations, but if the last two weeks have shown us anything, it is that President Trusk believes that nothing the government did before matters.
madeofpalk 2y ago
What has the past actions of the administration shown us about trustworthy they are? This is not where you were now. This is where you were four years ago.
pessimizer 2y ago
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Rafuino 2y ago
what in the world makes this a "formal" deal?
yibg 2y ago
Both Trump and Musk have a history of not paying people if they can get away with it, so would fit the pattern.

NickC25 2y ago

Donald Trump is known for stiffing people. His administration will reflect his pettiness.

eigart 2y ago

Yes.

ceejayoz 2y ago

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/... > Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will "protect your job." But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans, like the Friels, who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them. > In addition to the lawsuits, the review found more than 200 mechanic’s liens — filed by contractors and employees against Trump, his companies or his properties claiming they were owed money for their work — since the 1980s. The liens range from a $75,000 claim by a Plainview, N.Y., air conditioning and heating company to a $1 million claim from the president of a New York City real estate banking firm. On just one project, Trump’s Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, records released by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1990 show that at least 253 subcontractors weren’t paid in full or on time, including workers who installed walls, chandeliers and plumbing. > In courtroom testimony, the manager of the general contractor for the Doral renovation admitted that a decision was made not to pay The Paint Spot because Trump “already paid enough.” As the construction manager spoke, “Trump’s trial attorneys visibly winced, began breathing heavily, and attempted to make eye contact” with the witness, the judge noted in his ruling.

kgermino 2y ago

The offer mirrors Elon's offer to Twitter employees and many of them did not receive the money they were promised. Elon doesn't have the legal authority to make this offer today, it's poorly defined, and not a standard separation policy for federal employees. I'm not saying they won't be paid out, but I would't bet my livelihood on it

neom 2y ago
I looked into this and I find it kinda confusing. https://employmentlawweekly.com/uncategorized/500-million-severance-pay-lawsuit-against-elon-musk-dismissed/ https://employmentlawweekly.com/uncategorized/500-million-se... && https://www.bloomberglaw.com/public/desktop/document/McMillianvMusketalDocketNo323cv03461NDCalJul122023CourtDocket/2?doc_id=X5EMETO5DT7818OU0HMVKH4VEB5 https://www.bloomberglaw.com/public/desktop/document/McMilli...
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Litigation is ongoing; the class action was dismissed on standing grounds. Individual cases are going through arbitration now instead. Some are winning: https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2024/09/24/794157.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2024/09/24/79...

snakeyjake 2y ago

>Thinking that the new administration will just openly refuse to pay people's salaries as part of a formal deal? The chief executive of the new administration is literally and actually widely known for doing that exact thing repeatedly, for decades and decades, up to and including screwing local municipalities who entered into binding legal agreements with him to incur expenses to be repaid in full as part of his campaign. This is not bias or propaganda it is fact.

miltonlost 2y ago

Do you know who the President and his crony is? Have you seen Musk and Trump lie, repeatedly, about paying invoices and stiffing people? Have you seen Musk not pay his Twitter employees after he took over? Do you have a memory problem?

dekhn 2y ago

Yes, that is the most probable outcome.

roughly 2y ago

All of that's handled by the treasury department payment systems, so as long as those are left alone, I'm sure it'll be fine.

evan_ 2y ago
I have some very bad news for you.

drawkward 2y ago

Why would you believe otherwise? Trump is notorious for nonpayment, and Elon doesn't exactly have a good record in that area w/r/t Twitter's severed employees. Sure, historically, you might claim something about the government meeting its obligations, but if the last two weeks have shown us anything, it is that President Trusk believes that nothing the government did before matters.

madeofpalk 2y ago

What has the past actions of the administration shown us about trustworthy they are? This is not where you were now. This is where you were four years ago.

pessimizer 2y ago

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Rafuino 2y ago

what in the world makes this a "formal" deal?

yibg 2y ago

Both Trump and Musk have a history of not paying people if they can get away with it, so would fit the pattern.