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Copyright maximalism in the 21st century can be summed up as: When an individual makes a single copy of a song and gives it to a friend, that's piracy. When a c

Copyright maximalism in the 21st century can be summed up as: When an individual makes a single copy of a song and gives it to a friend, that's piracy. When a corporation makes subtlety different copies of thousands of works and sells them to customers, that's just fair use

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
NYT is a corporation. Corporation vs individual is a distraction. It’s some people (wrongly, in my view) prioritising production over consumption. If this were Altman personally producing an AI, the same people would rally to him. The corporate/individual framing needlessly inflames the debate when it’s really one about power and money.
- delusional 2y ago
  I don't think it's "production over consumption". At least I don't like that framing. For me it's about supporting production. The humans that write news articles every day can't produce that valuable work if they don't get fairly compensated for it. It's not that the AI produces more, it's that the AI destabilizes production. It makes it impossible to produce.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > It's not that the AI produces more We're not debating whether they do. "Humans that write news articles" are producing. That contrasts with "an individual mak[ing] a single copy of a song and giv[ing] it to a friend." We don't put journalists in jail for plagiarism.
    - delusional 2y ago
      > We don't put journalists in jail for plagiarism. I'm guessing you're imagining a scenario here were a journalist has copied an entire article verbatim and republished it in their newspaper. That would actually be both copyright infringement AND plagiarism. Newspapers just rarely enforce that right. These two things aren't on a scale. They are independent infractions.
- freejazz 2y ago
  No, they wouldn't, because Altman would still be stealing other people's actual work.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > they wouldn't, because Altman would still be stealing other people's actual work OpenAI is "stealing other people's [sic] actual work." The people rallying to it clearly don't care that much about it now. They wouldn't care whether it's a corporation or Sam Altman per se doing it.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

NYT is a corporation. Corporation vs individual is a distraction. It’s some people (wrongly, in my view) prioritising production over consumption. If this were Altman personally producing an AI, the same people would rally to him. The corporate/individual framing needlessly inflames the debate when it’s really one about power and money.

delusional 2y ago
I don't think it's "production over consumption". At least I don't like that framing. For me it's about supporting production. The humans that write news articles every day can't produce that valuable work if they don't get fairly compensated for it. It's not that the AI produces more, it's that the AI destabilizes production. It makes it impossible to produce.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > It's not that the AI produces more We're not debating whether they do. "Humans that write news articles" are producing. That contrasts with "an individual mak[ing] a single copy of a song and giv[ing] it to a friend." We don't put journalists in jail for plagiarism.
  - delusional 2y ago
    > We don't put journalists in jail for plagiarism. I'm guessing you're imagining a scenario here were a journalist has copied an entire article verbatim and republished it in their newspaper. That would actually be both copyright infringement AND plagiarism. Newspapers just rarely enforce that right. These two things aren't on a scale. They are independent infractions.
freejazz 2y ago
No, they wouldn't, because Altman would still be stealing other people's actual work.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > they wouldn't, because Altman would still be stealing other people's actual work OpenAI is "stealing other people's [sic] actual work." The people rallying to it clearly don't care that much about it now. They wouldn't care whether it's a corporation or Sam Altman per se doing it.