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Tbf imessage also allows people to message non iOS users but apparently the ‘color of the bubble’ has been a big thing in the U.S. among youth.
by yapyap 2y ago
Tbf imessage also allows people to message non iOS users but apparently the ‘color of the bubble’ has been a big thing in the U.S. among youth.
- calmworm 2y agoThe color of the bubble is, at least partially, a security feature for me. When it’s blue, I am certain there is a person on the other end, not a bot, spammer, ai, etc…
- pishpash 2y agoExcept it guarantees nothing of the sort.
- borski 2y agoSay more.
- notpushkin 2y agoThere are ways to send iMessages programmatically. Apple does check for spam, but it’s not foolproof. And of course, it won’t help you against a targeted attack.
- borski 2y agohttps://support.apple.com/en-us/118246 https://support.apple.com/en-us/118246
- Rohansi 2y agoHow exactly does any of this prevent people from sending spam to you?
- dwaite 2y agoI can count the total automated iMessage spams I've received on one hand. I can't do that with automated SMS spam I received in the last 24 hours. So yes, not foolproof.
- calmworm 2y agoIf there are ways, please share any documentation you have on it. I haven't found anything useful, myself.
- notpushkin 2y agoI didn’t research it that much, but a good place to start would be AirMessage [1] or Mautrix [2]. Both of these require a Mac to work – it might work on a Hackintosh, though, or maybe using same tricks those forks of OpenHaystack use to run without a Mac (no pointers here, sorry). Hope this helps! [1]: https://github.com/airmessage/airmessage-server https://github.com/airmessage/airmessage-server [2]: https://github.com/mautrix/imessage https://github.com/mautrix/imessage
- calmworm 2y agoThank you.
- calmworm 2y agoCare to explain or provide any source for this?
- satvikpendem 2y ago> but apparently the ‘color of the bubble’ has been a big thing in the U.S. among youth It's not the color itself that's the problem, it's that having one green user means the entire conversation falls back to SMS and thus photos, videos, etc are all degraded and you can't do more rich messaging things like reactions. This is changing with RCS but it is in Apple's interest to make it a social change rather than just a technological limitation.
- bb88 2y agoChildren care. Children also often can't afford the cost of a new iPhone. Adults don't really give a fuck as I can tell about it. Adults don't really give a fuck about lots of what children care about.
- satvikpendem 2y agoTeens generally care, some adults do care too.
- bb88 2y agoIf you care about the color of a chat bubble, you're kind of a child, no?
- satvikpendem 2y agoLike I said, it's not about the color but the features.
- HDThoreaun 2y agoIm an adult and cant stand sms. It makes texting unowrkable.
- lloeki 2y ago> the entire conversation falls back to SMS > it is in Apple's interest to make it a social change rather than just a technological limitation. It is a technical requirement? How would non-iMessage users respond to the whole group including the ones on iMessage? When you sit for 5min and think about the whole flow across a bunch of message exchanges every other way there's really no other technical solution than downgrading the whole conversation to SMS/RCS.
- saintfire 2y agoI think calling it just "color of the bubble" downplays the intentional degredation of chat quality for everyone in the chat in order to encourage exclusion, presumably to create FOMO. Incidentally FOMO is a very powerful among youth, but it's still a thing for any group in some capacity. Not that I personally cared, as i see it as an Apple flaw, but in joining a work iMessage group I had people whining about image quality and whatever other features were disabled between iMessage users while I was present.
- plandis 2y agoThe last I looked into this, iMessage offers end to end encryption and RCS doesn't by default. Apple (rightfully, IMO) refuses to use Googles non open source end to end encryption extension that also would require key exchange on Google owned servers.
- viraptor 2y agoAs opposed to apples non open source solution that requires device authentication on apple owned servers... I think none of them really care about interoperability here, or they would release something open and able to do e2ee instead of this dance. I mean signal protocol is right there and available to everyone.
- worthless-trash 2y agoThis debate is dead, no amount of education can fix it. Any amount of logical discussion is a waste of time.
- thayne 2y ago> RCS doesn't by default That isn't exactly accurate. The standard doesn't have e2ee, but if you use google messages with RCS with other android phone it is end to end encrypted. But it uses a proprietary google extension to RCS. But I would be surprised if google wasn't willing to work with apple to get e2ee RCS working between iMessage and google Messages, but Apple has no interest in that.