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I appreciate Ryan taking this up, and the updates are interesting. Obviously I'm not paying for the lawyers but it feels like "oh Oracle is trying to add month

by rtpg 2y ago

I appreciate Ryan taking this up, and the updates are interesting. Obviously I'm not paying for the lawyers but it feels like "oh Oracle is trying to add months of delays" feels pretty normal. Only months! If the process just trudges along for a couple of years before reaching a "good" conclusion, still worth doing! And very happy that this is an actual legal proceeding and "try to sign a petition asking Oracle nicely" is no longer what is being looked at. It's Oracle! Imagine how far along ago we would be[0] if 2 years ago the lawyers started getting involved. Sometimes you just gotta do the thing that takes forever. Or at least try in parallel? [0]: Again, I'm not paying for the lawyers or doing anything useful at all!

LoganDark 2y ago
> [0]: Again, I'm not paying for the lawyers or doing anything useful at all! It sucks that these kinds of disclaimers are necessary these days. I've also had more than my fair share of "you're not helping so you don't get to have an opinion"
- eviks 2y ago
  Maybe the main thing this disclaimer does is make more people aware of the quoted criticism
- rtpg 2y ago
  The open thing is that the person doing the thing is allowed a greater say to strategy IMO.
  - cafeinux 2y ago
    > IMO Well you're not helping so you're not entitled to that opinion.
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    This isn't the forum where strategic decisions are happening.
kaycebasques 2y ago
> Sometimes you just gotta do the thing that takes forever. Great phrase
- kbutler 2y ago
  "schlep"
chasil 2y ago
Realistically, it's time for Microsoft to make some good karma, and give Javascript to the world. They should wrest this from Oracle. "Microsoft Edge: the browser that gave you <script> as no one else could."
- WorldMaker 2y ago
  Microsoft lost that fight so badly long ago against Sun that Internet Explorer and Windows documentation for like a decade referred to the language as "JScript" (and also tried to make VBScript a viable alternative partly to avoid even accidentally using Sun's trademark) to the bemusement of everyone. Interesting to wonder if the web would have been a little better if Microsoft had won that trademark battle at the time or if Sun had donated the trademark to ECMA so that official standards didn't have to be named EcmaScript.
- fennecbutt 2y ago
  Tbh I think we should just universally be ditching js for ts. I use them both every day and while it's nice to have such a flexible scripting language the amount the bend over for backwards compatibility and the glacial pace and gatekeeping of ecma International. Because of this all of the numerous flaws of the original design have been clutched onto and rigorously defended by so many righteous believers.

by rtpg 2y ago

LoganDark 2y ago

> [0]: Again, I'm not paying for the lawyers or doing anything useful at all! It sucks that these kinds of disclaimers are necessary these days. I've also had more than my fair share of "you're not helping so you don't get to have an opinion"

eviks 2y ago
Maybe the main thing this disclaimer does is make more people aware of the quoted criticism
rtpg 2y ago
The open thing is that the person doing the thing is allowed a greater say to strategy IMO.
- cafeinux 2y ago
  > IMO Well you're not helping so you're not entitled to that opinion.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  This isn't the forum where strategic decisions are happening.

kaycebasques 2y ago

> Sometimes you just gotta do the thing that takes forever. Great phrase

kbutler 2y ago
"schlep"

chasil 2y ago

Realistically, it's time for Microsoft to make some good karma, and give Javascript to the world. They should wrest this from Oracle. "Microsoft Edge: the browser that gave you <script> as no one else could."

WorldMaker 2y ago
Microsoft lost that fight so badly long ago against Sun that Internet Explorer and Windows documentation for like a decade referred to the language as "JScript" (and also tried to make VBScript a viable alternative partly to avoid even accidentally using Sun's trademark) to the bemusement of everyone. Interesting to wonder if the web would have been a little better if Microsoft had won that trademark battle at the time or if Sun had donated the trademark to ECMA so that official standards didn't have to be named EcmaScript.
fennecbutt 2y ago
Tbh I think we should just universally be ditching js for ts. I use them both every day and while it's nice to have such a flexible scripting language the amount the bend over for backwards compatibility and the glacial pace and gatekeeping of ecma International. Because of this all of the numerous flaws of the original design have been clutched onto and rigorously defended by so many righteous believers.