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Could you imagine how the entire world would look if they took truth serum for an entire year, how different the world might be? Lies run the planet, and it st
by dgfitz 2y ago
Could you imagine how the entire world would look if they took truth serum for an entire year, how different the world might be?
Lies run the planet, and it stinks.
- 10u152 2y ago[flagged]
- ziddoap 2y agoYour point could be made, probably even stronger than it is currently, by omitting the insult at the start.
- justonenote 2y ago[flagged]
- ziddoap 2y ago>than a chatgpt style Literally just remove the first 4 words and keep the rest of the comment the same, and it's a better comment. No idea what chatgpt has to do with it.
- justonenote 2y agoThat would be removing information and strictly worse that including it. Communication is about communicating information, sometimes a terse short and aggressive style is the most effective way. It activates neurons in a way a paragraph of polite argumentation doesn't.
- Hello71 2y agothe contention of your respondents and downvoters is that regardless of your intention, the extra information actually communicated is "i'm an asshole".
- justonenote 2y agoFine, that's still extra information. More accurately in the context of the comment, its "Im gonna be an asshole to you because I think you don't have the life experience I do", which is at least, some kind of signal. I wasn't the original responder btw.
- Frederation 2y ago[flagged]
- justonenote 2y agoNo comment.
- lioeters 2y agoSimilarly your point would have communicated better without the unnecessary and adolescent final sentence.
- justonenote 2y agoIt was for effect. Maybe you'd prefer if we were all maximally polite drones but that's not how humans are, going back to GPs point, and I don't think it's a state than anyone truly wants either.
- cortesoft 2y ago“More effective” at what? No one is ever going to be convinced by an argument that begins with an insult. So what do you mean by it will be more effective?
- justonenote 2y agoDo you honestly think an insult never brought about a change in a person? You never think a carefully landed and accurate insult made someone reconsider their position? Weird, because in my experience, that has happened to every single person I know and myself. Whether it's at the start or end of a comment is not really the point.
- dgfitz 2y agoWelp, in this specific instance, your insults are a microcosm of the election results. Stinks, huh?
- justonenote 2y agoThings are very black and white these days, no room for shades.
- mrbungie 2y agoIt may do depending in context, but that's not the point and in fact is widely recognized as a ad hominem argument and fallacious by definition. Most emotionally mature people would stop arguing after something like that.
- yubblegum 2y ago[flagged]
- dgfitz 2y agoAh nuts, I’m not trying to project anything at all. Sincerely.
- iwontberude 2y agomoralistic relativism creates cover for egocentrism to destroy us
- turbojet1321 2y agoYes but unfortunately that doesn't make it false.
- explodes 2y agoInsults are not part of the community guidelines
- iwontberude 2y agoBeing childlike is a blessing and a compliment in my book.
- mv4 2y agoI don't think they meant the "truth" truth but people saying what they really think and being open about their motivations.
- TheSpiceIsLife 2y agoSounds horrible. Deception is bad enough, knowing people’s true motivations and opinions surely would be worse. What truly motivates other people is largely a mystery, and what motivates oneself is wildly mysterious to that oneself indeed.
- leptons 2y agoThe only people who don't think truth matters are those who would profit from lies.
- gessha 2y ago“Grownups never understand anything by themselves, and it is tiresome for children to be always and forever explaining things to them” - Antoine de Saint-Exupery, The Little Prince
- Sperfunctor 2y ago[flagged]
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 2y agoThat.. is a new one. I thought I am fairly aware of various forms of coded language. Care to elaborate?
- dgfitz 2y agoFwiw I’m way too dumb to speak in coded language.
- Swannie 2y agoYes, have you watched The Wheel of Time? Better to read the books... the characters bound to tell the truth are experts in double meanings. Successful politicans and sociopaths are experts in double meanings. "I will not drop bombs on Acmeland." Instead, I will send missiles. "At this point in time, we do not intend to end the tariffs." The intent will change when conditions change, which is forecast next week. "We are not in negotations to acquire AI Co for $1B." We are negotiating for $0.9B. "Our results show an improvement for a majority of recipients." 51% saw an improvement of 1%, 49% saw a decline of 5%...
- dgfitz 2y agoWow. Yes I read the whole series. It was a fucking marathon. I can’t quite tie your point into the series directly, other than to agree that elected officials are, almost by definition, professional liars. (Tugs on braid)
- mcmcmc 2y agoNot the GP, but I think what they’re getting at is that Aes Sedai can deceive without saying untruthful. So a hypothetical truth serum wouldn’t necessarily guarantee honesty
- scottyah 2y agoHuman's short context windows with too many areas to research and stay up to date on is why I don't believe any version of Democracy I've seen can succeed, and the only real positive to some kind of ASI government/policing (once we solve the whole universal judgement system issue). I'd love a world where you would be assisted through tax season, ill-intentioned drivers were properly incentivized to not risk others' lives, and you could at least be made aware before breaking laws. Eliminating the need to lie/misguide people to sway them would be such a crazy world.
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- cat_plus_plus 2y agoWe would all be covered in bruises from getting slapped all day long.
- scarface_74 2y agoPeople try to cope and say others are guided by lies. In the US, people knew exactly what they were getting and I’m true the same is true in other “democracies”.
- TheSpiceIsLife 2y agoIf you can’t cope with the lies, what makes you think you’d cope with the truth? Which I guarantee you is magnitudes of order more horrifying.
- dgfitz 2y agoIf who can’t cope with what lies? Yes, the truth would also stink. I’m sure it’s also horrifying.
- TheSpiceIsLife 2y agoThe general you, the reader.
- mitthrowaway2 2y agoWhat is true is already so. Owning up to it doesn't make it worse. Not being open about it doesn't make it go away. And because it's true, it is what is there to be interacted with. Anything untrue isn't there to be lived. People can stand what is true, for they are already enduring it. —Eugene Gendlin
- WOTERMEON 2y agoI mean you can see that even at any company at any size. I think it’s human nature.
- portaouflop 2y agoPut LSD in the drinking water
- LoganDark 2y agoThis is actually a plot point of Unsong https://unsongbook.com https://unsongbook.com