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Regardless, it would be nicer to keep our improved education so that people do understand the power dynamics implied in certain terms. Some people living today

by ncr100 2y ago

Regardless, it would be nicer to keep our improved education so that people do understand the power dynamics implied in certain terms. Some people living today, working in and around a "git default repo setup" are descendants of slaves. Would it be better if public education simply discussed power dynamics, inclusion, and sensitivity?

eej71 2y ago
There's a chance this is an example of Poe's Law. But I'm unsure!
- Edman274 2y ago
  It's pretty obviously sarcastic, but it's interesting because ChatGPT thinks it's sincere. It appears that sarcasm detection is still outside the capabilities of large language models, which is surprising because people have been manually annotating sarcastic remarks on internet forums for the past 30 years. How could it get simpler than that to create a training set?
fourseventy 2y ago
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- stanleykm 2y ago
  The fact that people who think they are smart blame cultural shifts on a “woke cult” is amazing to me.
  - alxjrvs 2y ago
    Every accusation is a confession from the Red Hat crowd.
  - goatlover 2y ago
    The fact that people don't realize the same word can have multiple meanings and not just the meaning it had in some previous century is amazing to me.
    - stanleykm 2y ago
      well look if people wanted to be able to use the words master and slave all over the place they should have thought about it earlier and not had masters and slaves to start with. i dont know what to tell you.
  - cglace 2y ago
    People from the left who think they are smart have names for the people who represent this new cultural shift. It's natural to blame things you don't like on the other "stupid" group.
    - stanleykm 2y ago
      I think there is plenty of room to critique what this person is calling “woke” terminology but the “warblgarbl woke cult” from the right is just absurd. Hacker News is apparently a place we are supposed to be able to have more technical and higher minded discussions than say Reddit but every time a cultural issue comes up we revert to cave man. Actually thats not fair to cave men, we revert to reactionary nonsense.
AlexandrB 2y ago
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- simonw 2y ago
  I don't understand, what does that have to do with master/slave terminology?
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    My interpretation of the GP (my personal views on the debate have no bearing) is that the whole master/slave debate meant a whole lot to a few thousand people in one specific country, and absolutely nothing to the rest of the world. They then go on to mention a term that they find offensive, that seems like it shouldn't be offensive, and imply that under the same rules that master/slave was abandoned, we should abandon the term "equity" as well.
  - AlexandrB 2y ago
    Admittedly this applies less to master/slave, but certainly applies to terms like whitelist/blacklist.
  - lo_zamoyski 2y ago
    What do you think communism was ideologically about if not a system of "imposed equity"? In the name of what were people persecuted and killed if not "equality"? For him, the celebration of these is offensive and excluding.
- ncr100 2y ago
  I'm a descendent of a grandmother who, as a child fled the brand new Soviet regime when my great grandpa was being shuffled off to the Gulag on the train in the cold North. I'm sorry that your family died by those same people who shuffled off my great grandpa. Hello. Is there a problem / disadvantage / critical misleading with using my context as a lens to understand what's the right way to appropriately address unfair power dynamics?
  - 2y ago
janalsncm 2y ago
Changing “master” to “main” is exactly the kind of empty symbolic gesture corporate America loves. If you want to talk about real power dynamics, walk down the street in San Francisco. Visible poverty everywhere, in one of the richest cities on Earth. If you want healthcare, food, shelter, or political representation, you need to pay. That’s the relevant power dynamic, and because it is so intractable these activists have conceded it and instead resort to virtue signaling (“we can’t change the system but at least we want to!”). Who the hell cares. George Floyd’s problem wasn’t that not enough software engineers were aware of American chattel slavery, his problem was that being poor is effectively illegal.

by ncr100 2y ago

eej71 2y ago

There's a chance this is an example of Poe's Law. But I'm unsure!

Edman274 2y ago
It's pretty obviously sarcastic, but it's interesting because ChatGPT thinks it's sincere. It appears that sarcasm detection is still outside the capabilities of large language models, which is surprising because people have been manually annotating sarcastic remarks on internet forums for the past 30 years. How could it get simpler than that to create a training set?

fourseventy 2y ago

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stanleykm 2y ago
The fact that people who think they are smart blame cultural shifts on a “woke cult” is amazing to me.
- alxjrvs 2y ago
  Every accusation is a confession from the Red Hat crowd.
- goatlover 2y ago
  The fact that people don't realize the same word can have multiple meanings and not just the meaning it had in some previous century is amazing to me.
  - stanleykm 2y ago
    well look if people wanted to be able to use the words master and slave all over the place they should have thought about it earlier and not had masters and slaves to start with. i dont know what to tell you.
- cglace 2y ago
  People from the left who think they are smart have names for the people who represent this new cultural shift. It's natural to blame things you don't like on the other "stupid" group.
  - stanleykm 2y ago
    I think there is plenty of room to critique what this person is calling “woke” terminology but the “warblgarbl woke cult” from the right is just absurd. Hacker News is apparently a place we are supposed to be able to have more technical and higher minded discussions than say Reddit but every time a cultural issue comes up we revert to cave man. Actually thats not fair to cave men, we revert to reactionary nonsense.

AlexandrB 2y ago

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simonw 2y ago
I don't understand, what does that have to do with master/slave terminology?
- dgfitz 2y ago
  My interpretation of the GP (my personal views on the debate have no bearing) is that the whole master/slave debate meant a whole lot to a few thousand people in one specific country, and absolutely nothing to the rest of the world. They then go on to mention a term that they find offensive, that seems like it shouldn't be offensive, and imply that under the same rules that master/slave was abandoned, we should abandon the term "equity" as well.
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  Admittedly this applies less to master/slave, but certainly applies to terms like whitelist/blacklist.
- lo_zamoyski 2y ago
  What do you think communism was ideologically about if not a system of "imposed equity"? In the name of what were people persecuted and killed if not "equality"? For him, the celebration of these is offensive and excluding.
ncr100 2y ago
I'm a descendent of a grandmother who, as a child fled the brand new Soviet regime when my great grandpa was being shuffled off to the Gulag on the train in the cold North. I'm sorry that your family died by those same people who shuffled off my great grandpa. Hello. Is there a problem / disadvantage / critical misleading with using my context as a lens to understand what's the right way to appropriately address unfair power dynamics?
- 2y ago

janalsncm 2y ago

Changing “master” to “main” is exactly the kind of empty symbolic gesture corporate America loves. If you want to talk about real power dynamics, walk down the street in San Francisco. Visible poverty everywhere, in one of the richest cities on Earth. If you want healthcare, food, shelter, or political representation, you need to pay. That’s the relevant power dynamic, and because it is so intractable these activists have conceded it and instead resort to virtue signaling (“we can’t change the system but at least we want to!”). Who the hell cares. George Floyd’s problem wasn’t that not enough software engineers were aware of American chattel slavery, his problem was that being poor is effectively illegal.