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The Chinese certainly think like this. The North Koreans are certainly on a constant war footing. The world is an extremely hostile place.

suraci 2y ago
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- davemp 2y ago
  > even the most hawks Americans can only think about how to defend and A2/AD if the Chinese intervene in taiwan Works both ways.
  - suraci 2y ago
    i don't know which one is more crazier you don't know where taiwan is or you know it well but still think it's totally normal and reasonable to do that
    - jabl 2y ago
      Perhaps Xi Jinping and his henchmen should also look at a map? In case they have trouble understanding, here's a hint: Taiwan belongs to that large part of the globe which is "not China".
      - Ekaros 2y ago
        Just like Panama and Greenland?
        jabl 2y ago
        Yes. Or sort-of, at least. China is making serious military investments that seem targeted at achieving a capability to invade Taiwan while fending off US efforts to foil such an invasion. In contrast, I've seen no indication that the US is seriously considering taking Panama or Greenland by force except for the bluster from the chief blowhard. Still, that mark of shame will take a long time to wash off.
    - ethbr1 2y ago
      The nine dash line is objectively and hilariously bad. If China wants to seize territory internationally recognized as part of other countries... why lie about it so poorly?
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  China is actively annexing their neighbors in the ASEAN sea and constantly frustrated the US intervenes. Their entire military deployment around there is based on fighting the US intervening in their military expansion, eg, against the Philippines.
- jonnybgood 2y ago
  > not a single chinese have a single thought about going war with the US Odd. Then who in China feels the need to outcompete US military technology? Why is China developing missiles like DF-27 that are difficult to counter and take out aircraft carriers? Who is coming up with these ideas and for what purposes?
  - suraci 2y ago
    that's the refelection you'll have if your neighbor is a psycho whose first thought every morning is to decide whether he should go around to shoot something, especially after the psycho neighbor has shooted to many ones already
    - kasey_junk 2y ago
      You understand of course that you can replace psycho in your sentence with either party and it just describes the others beliefs. There are living citizens of both countries that have shot at each other in a hot war. It’s not unreasonable in that case yo think it will happen again.
  - fancl20 2y ago
    This misconception is common among US official/think tanks especially related to DOD because the way Chinese government operated is so counter-intuitive from US perspective (probably many other governments). It's actually same as how China makes economics policy: First assess the "inevitable" future, than make a plan to better adapt to that future (e.g. Battery, EV, Solar...actually a lot more examples before those). This means China is constantly making policies considered "ineffective" because in many cases they don't have a clear goal (build the capbility for the sake of the build). On contrast US sets a clear goal first and build the capbility accordingly, which means you build the capbility for a purpose. For some reason people can't translate the same process when talking about military capbility. The current assessment from China probably is some version of "China will be regard as superpower. to be regarded as a credible superpower, credible superpower level army is required". While most US officials think China builds this military power for a concrete goal (why spend money if you don't plan to use it?). This misconception at least has been communicated by some US intellectuals many times though I think it's not very effective under current geopolitical climate.

suraci 2y ago

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davemp 2y ago
> even the most hawks Americans can only think about how to defend and A2/AD if the Chinese intervene in taiwan Works both ways.
- suraci 2y ago
  i don't know which one is more crazier you don't know where taiwan is or you know it well but still think it's totally normal and reasonable to do that
  - jabl 2y ago
    Perhaps Xi Jinping and his henchmen should also look at a map? In case they have trouble understanding, here's a hint: Taiwan belongs to that large part of the globe which is "not China".
    - Ekaros 2y ago
      Just like Panama and Greenland?
      - jabl 2y ago
        Yes. Or sort-of, at least. China is making serious military investments that seem targeted at achieving a capability to invade Taiwan while fending off US efforts to foil such an invasion. In contrast, I've seen no indication that the US is seriously considering taking Panama or Greenland by force except for the bluster from the chief blowhard. Still, that mark of shame will take a long time to wash off.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    The nine dash line is objectively and hilariously bad. If China wants to seize territory internationally recognized as part of other countries... why lie about it so poorly?
zmgsabst 2y ago
China is actively annexing their neighbors in the ASEAN sea and constantly frustrated the US intervenes. Their entire military deployment around there is based on fighting the US intervening in their military expansion, eg, against the Philippines.
jonnybgood 2y ago
> not a single chinese have a single thought about going war with the US Odd. Then who in China feels the need to outcompete US military technology? Why is China developing missiles like DF-27 that are difficult to counter and take out aircraft carriers? Who is coming up with these ideas and for what purposes?
- suraci 2y ago
  that's the refelection you'll have if your neighbor is a psycho whose first thought every morning is to decide whether he should go around to shoot something, especially after the psycho neighbor has shooted to many ones already
  - kasey_junk 2y ago
    You understand of course that you can replace psycho in your sentence with either party and it just describes the others beliefs. There are living citizens of both countries that have shot at each other in a hot war. It’s not unreasonable in that case yo think it will happen again.
- fancl20 2y ago
  This misconception is common among US official/think tanks especially related to DOD because the way Chinese government operated is so counter-intuitive from US perspective (probably many other governments). It's actually same as how China makes economics policy: First assess the "inevitable" future, than make a plan to better adapt to that future (e.g. Battery, EV, Solar...actually a lot more examples before those). This means China is constantly making policies considered "ineffective" because in many cases they don't have a clear goal (build the capbility for the sake of the build). On contrast US sets a clear goal first and build the capbility accordingly, which means you build the capbility for a purpose. For some reason people can't translate the same process when talking about military capbility. The current assessment from China probably is some version of "China will be regard as superpower. to be regarded as a credible superpower, credible superpower level army is required". While most US officials think China builds this military power for a concrete goal (why spend money if you don't plan to use it?). This misconception at least has been communicated by some US intellectuals many times though I think it's not very effective under current geopolitical climate.