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> Eighth Amendment >Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. exporting american citizen

> Eighth Amendment >Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. exporting american citizens would very much fall under "cruel and unusual". There's been challenges on this that essentially say "you can be cruel OR unusual, but not both". I'd love to see how they justify a police state foreign prison doesn't qualify as "cruel".

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> exporting american citizens would very much fall under "cruel and unusual" How? I'm not loving this idea, but it's difficult to see why it's cruel or unusual at face value.
- Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 2y ago
  One reason is that it makes it impractical for any relatives to visit.
theossuary 2y ago
According to the now conservative majority on the Supreme Court, there is no such thing as cruel and unusual punishment once your in jail. SCOTUS and the eighth amendment aren't going to save us here, not anymore. https://www.nybooks.com/online/2024/06/18/the-hollowing-of-the-eighth-amendment/ https://www.nybooks.com/online/2024/06/18/the-hollowing-of-t... - https://archive.is/ZkWGP https://archive.is/ZkWGP
hnbad 2y ago
The US has the death penalty, all implementations of which have been demonstrated to qualify as cruel by most people's definitions (e.g. the chemical method is not in any way based on science but rather pumping the victim full of overdoses of chemicals known to kill them, contrary to popular misconceptions it's not like being put down by a vet but more like suffocating until your brain shuts off). Given the state of the US prison industrial complex, I also wouldn't be surprised if the prisons El Salvador would provide for US citizens are at least up to par during the likely contractually required inspections. They wouldn't need to be as good as the average US prison, they would only need to be no worse than the worst US prison.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> exporting american citizens would very much fall under "cruel and unusual" How? I'm not loving this idea, but it's difficult to see why it's cruel or unusual at face value.

Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 2y ago
One reason is that it makes it impractical for any relatives to visit.

theossuary 2y ago

According to the now conservative majority on the Supreme Court, there is no such thing as cruel and unusual punishment once your in jail. SCOTUS and the eighth amendment aren't going to save us here, not anymore. https://www.nybooks.com/online/2024/06/18/the-hollowing-of-the-eighth-amendment/ https://www.nybooks.com/online/2024/06/18/the-hollowing-of-t... - https://archive.is/ZkWGP https://archive.is/ZkWGP

hnbad 2y ago

The US has the death penalty, all implementations of which have been demonstrated to qualify as cruel by most people's definitions (e.g. the chemical method is not in any way based on science but rather pumping the victim full of overdoses of chemicals known to kill them, contrary to popular misconceptions it's not like being put down by a vet but more like suffocating until your brain shuts off). Given the state of the US prison industrial complex, I also wouldn't be surprised if the prisons El Salvador would provide for US citizens are at least up to par during the likely contractually required inspections. They wouldn't need to be as good as the average US prison, they would only need to be no worse than the worst US prison.