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> too young to lie or corrupt In my experience, youth has little to do with honesty or corruptibility.

jimmydoe 2y ago
I mean their social experience is usually not enough to conduct sophisticated rent seeking or reach some comprise with local officials. Young grads from big urban usually don’t do well with local mid aged bureaucrats. That type of human nature tension is what’s being leveraged here.
- DanielHB 2y ago
  Makes sense, I also imagine the incentives were different. These young grads had no incentive to lie while local gov officials had plenty. The only one would be for the grads to take bribes from the local gov officials, but if the central government sent enough grads it would be too many to bribe.
- willvarfar 2y ago
  It seems that when push comes to shove right now its the young people who are simply removing people who don't kowtow. Of course it is easy to imagine that the people they are removing are those who made principled stands rather than the corrupt who keep their heads down. As in they are removing the people who thought their job was to serve the public rather than line their own pockets? It is not clear if that is the effect the chiefs want or not.
tivert 2y ago
> In my experience, youth has little to do with honesty or corruptibility. It has a lot to do with naivete and not having the confidence to stand up when needed. There's a lot of easily indoctrinated, exploitable idealistic youth out there. A lot of organizations run on them.
jorvi 2y ago
Young people often are hopelessly ideological, in the same way a dogmatic religious person would be. Both are less corruptible than your average person.
- jimkleiber 2y ago
  But can that also make them more gullible?
  - tivert 2y ago
    > But can that also make them more gullible? Oh definitely. They often don't have the experience to question what they're told or see the holes and deceptions in it. For instance: they'd be more easily fooled by a fake deadline. Or in this case, they may trust and follow their leader like a little zealot, even when he's wrong and doing bad things.
- flakeoil 2y ago
  As fresh graduate at your first job, I suppose you follow the instructions from your boss a bit more and still have faith in your boss and upper management, a bit more than a senior, more experienced employee. Just look at the military, it's quite easy to scream at 18 year old recruits and have them crawl in mud and being screamed insults at. Try the same with a 45 year old.
- watwut 2y ago
  Enron was staff by young people hired fresh of school. It is easy to manipulate young people into a new set of values. Army knows that, monks know that etc. These likely believe Musk is second coming of god.
- zfg 2y ago
  It makes them more corruptible. They will perform corrupt acts while believing it the right thing to do. They're too naive to know better. They won't do graft. They will follow orders. Even and especially when the orders are corrupt.
  - willvarfar 2y ago
    Exactly; it's not that the young ideological think-they-are-doing-the-right-thing are not serving a corrupt system (perhaps unwittingly). They are effective because the corruption they serve diligently comes from the central party and not from local considerations?
leftcenterright 2y ago
isn't it more like "too young to speak up" ? How many Snowdens do we have after all.

I mean their social experience is usually not enough to conduct sophisticated rent seeking or reach some comprise with local officials. Young grads from big urban usually don’t do well with local mid aged bureaucrats. That type of human nature tension is what’s being leveraged here.

DanielHB 2y ago
Makes sense, I also imagine the incentives were different. These young grads had no incentive to lie while local gov officials had plenty. The only one would be for the grads to take bribes from the local gov officials, but if the central government sent enough grads it would be too many to bribe.
willvarfar 2y ago
It seems that when push comes to shove right now its the young people who are simply removing people who don't kowtow. Of course it is easy to imagine that the people they are removing are those who made principled stands rather than the corrupt who keep their heads down. As in they are removing the people who thought their job was to serve the public rather than line their own pockets? It is not clear if that is the effect the chiefs want or not.

tivert 2y ago

> In my experience, youth has little to do with honesty or corruptibility. It has a lot to do with naivete and not having the confidence to stand up when needed. There's a lot of easily indoctrinated, exploitable idealistic youth out there. A lot of organizations run on them.

jorvi 2y ago

Young people often are hopelessly ideological, in the same way a dogmatic religious person would be. Both are less corruptible than your average person.

jimkleiber 2y ago
But can that also make them more gullible?
- tivert 2y ago
  > But can that also make them more gullible? Oh definitely. They often don't have the experience to question what they're told or see the holes and deceptions in it. For instance: they'd be more easily fooled by a fake deadline. Or in this case, they may trust and follow their leader like a little zealot, even when he's wrong and doing bad things.
flakeoil 2y ago
As fresh graduate at your first job, I suppose you follow the instructions from your boss a bit more and still have faith in your boss and upper management, a bit more than a senior, more experienced employee. Just look at the military, it's quite easy to scream at 18 year old recruits and have them crawl in mud and being screamed insults at. Try the same with a 45 year old.
watwut 2y ago
Enron was staff by young people hired fresh of school. It is easy to manipulate young people into a new set of values. Army knows that, monks know that etc. These likely believe Musk is second coming of god.
zfg 2y ago
It makes them more corruptible. They will perform corrupt acts while believing it the right thing to do. They're too naive to know better. They won't do graft. They will follow orders. Even and especially when the orders are corrupt.
- willvarfar 2y ago
  Exactly; it's not that the young ideological think-they-are-doing-the-right-thing are not serving a corrupt system (perhaps unwittingly). They are effective because the corruption they serve diligently comes from the central party and not from local considerations?

leftcenterright 2y ago

isn't it more like "too young to speak up" ? How many Snowdens do we have after all.