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> blatantly illegal genuine question, not sarcastic: what specifically is blatantly illegal, violating what law?

afavour 2y ago
They are (according to the accounts given) accessing confidential government information they don’t have security credentials for.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  there’s this guy named Donald who just might pardon whoever is committing whatever crimes are being committed…
  - kelnos 2y ago
    I'm sure he will. But that doesn't refute the assertion that what they're doing is illegal. It supports it, even.
  - afavour 2y ago
    All else aside I wouldn’t assume he’s going to. I doubt Trump cares one way or the other if these kids rot in jail. There’s a long, long list of people who thought “Trump owes me” would be a guarantee and got a rude awakening.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      I doubt Trump cares one way or the other if these kids rot in jail they are doing what he is (in)directly ordering - they ain't going to jail following the orders of the POTUS :)
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mbesto 2y ago
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030
- jjtheblunt 2y ago
  thanks : it's oh so HN that the question got downvoted, and you alone had an answer, much appreciated.
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  - derangedHorse 2y ago
    Your question was valid and you didn’t deserve to get downvoted. That being said the person who responded to you is wrong. They did have the appropriate security clearance to access the records. Some people are skeptical on the legitimacy of what some are calling “emergency” security clearances given by executive order[1] but there’s no evidence this is not within the bounds of the president’s power. An expedited clearance could have been granted in 48 hours but presumably the backlog has already lasted longer than that and would hamper plans for the first month in office. [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/memorandum-to-resolve-the-backlog-of-security-clearances-for-executive-office-of-the-president-personnel/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/memo...
    - mbesto 2y ago
      > They did have the appropriate security clearance to access the records. That EO says: The White House Counsel to provide the White House Security Office and Acting Chief Security Officer with a list of personnel Where do you see that the CSO has granted access to those specific individuals? For the record, I'm not saying they are or are not on that list, we just simply don't know. If they have not been granted security clearance then there is in fact a law that makes it illegal to access federal systems and those boys are in for some trouble.

They are (according to the accounts given) accessing confidential government information they don’t have security credentials for.

bdangubic 2y ago
there’s this guy named Donald who just might pardon whoever is committing whatever crimes are being committed…
- kelnos 2y ago
  I'm sure he will. But that doesn't refute the assertion that what they're doing is illegal. It supports it, even.
- afavour 2y ago
  All else aside I wouldn’t assume he’s going to. I doubt Trump cares one way or the other if these kids rot in jail. There’s a long, long list of people who thought “Trump owes me” would be a guarantee and got a rude awakening.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    I doubt Trump cares one way or the other if these kids rot in jail they are doing what he is (in)directly ordering - they ain't going to jail following the orders of the POTUS :)
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      [deleted]

mbesto 2y ago

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030

jjtheblunt 2y ago
thanks : it's oh so HN that the question got downvoted, and you alone had an answer, much appreciated.
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- derangedHorse 2y ago
  Your question was valid and you didn’t deserve to get downvoted. That being said the person who responded to you is wrong. They did have the appropriate security clearance to access the records. Some people are skeptical on the legitimacy of what some are calling “emergency” security clearances given by executive order[1] but there’s no evidence this is not within the bounds of the president’s power. An expedited clearance could have been granted in 48 hours but presumably the backlog has already lasted longer than that and would hamper plans for the first month in office. [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/memorandum-to-resolve-the-backlog-of-security-clearances-for-executive-office-of-the-president-personnel/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/memo...
  - mbesto 2y ago
    > They did have the appropriate security clearance to access the records. That EO says: The White House Counsel to provide the White House Security Office and Acting Chief Security Officer with a list of personnel Where do you see that the CSO has granted access to those specific individuals? For the record, I'm not saying they are or are not on that list, we just simply don't know. If they have not been granted security clearance then there is in fact a law that makes it illegal to access federal systems and those boys are in for some trouble.