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EU kicks off landmark AI law enforcement

37 points by belter 2y ago

bradley13 2y ago
The EU is great at creating regulations to strangle young technologies in their crib. The "AI Act" has noble-sounding goals, but the bureaucrats who created this have no idea what it means or what effects it will have. What I haven't been able to discover, is exactly who is behind the AI Act. It would be very informative to know which lobbyists and organizations are pushing for it.
- belter 2y ago
  The EU has a serious problem with hidden lobbying, but instead of propagating conspiracy theories maybe better read the details of the law. It's fairly balanced and transparent. Artificial Intelligence – Questions and Answers: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_21_1683 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_... The regulation: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO... https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs/services/legal/2024/digital-regulations-eu-ai-act.pdf https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs...
  - hcfman 2y ago
    It's not about how the law appears to be. It's about the damage that can be caused through interpretation of the law that's the problem.
- ktallett 2y ago
  I question young technologies considering ML (which 'AI' is a form of) has really been around since the 80's, it's just in its current form it is new. I would also state that this is primarily focusing on aspects that could considerably impact people's lives in a negative manner if used incorrectly especially as it has inherent bias. Facial recoqnition is already used within certain police forces, and without regulations on detection threshold, this could end up with significant issues regarding false recoqnition from police forces who already have significant bias.
  - hcfman 2y ago
    Ah, but there are loopholes for government use.
- hcfman 2y ago
  Sorry dude. That's personal information. Privacy laws prevent you from finding that out. That's your privacy rights at work in the way they are intended.
- add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
  God forbid we learn anything from our experience with social media and try to think something through before transforming society with it.
  - Nasrudith 2y ago
    Have we ever successfully thought through any new technology before implementing it, though? At the launch time of social media transforming society was clear VC hype and due to that implicitly ignored. "Dude it is just a website.". I cannot think of a single time that a transformative technology was "thought through" ahead of time. Such standards just become basically intellectual NIMBYism, demanding onerous standards to try to make it go away.
robertlagrant 2y ago
> The Commission proposed enshrining in EU law a legal definition of 'AI system' referring to a range of software-based technologies using specific techniques and approaches ('machine learning', 'logic and knowledge-based' systems, and 'statistical' approaches) that could be complemented through the adoption of delegated acts to factor in technological developments. This seems very broad. Almost anything could be a logic and knowledge-based system. And - genuine question - isn't ML a statistical approach?
- deleted 2y ago
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- hcfman 2y ago
  Yep! Broad. The new EU way. Leave everything open to interpretation so that can slapp you if they don't like you.
  - belter 2y ago
    Nope, but nice try... "Given its abstract nature, the legislation contains areas that are yet to be fully defined. These are expected to be elaborated on through delegated and implementing acts, guidelines by the EU institutions, as well as harmonized standards developed by European Standardization Organizations. As a result, businesses can expect to receive more detailed guidance in the near future." Scope of the AI Act: "Furthermore, the recitals – which clarify the AI Act’s regulatory text – specify that the definition of AI does not include basic traditional software or purely rule-based programming created by humans for automatic operations. Despite this, the definition remains wide, covering the majority of systems available on the market. ...Finally, the Commission has been tasked with developing guidelines for applying the definition of an AI system, which grant further guidance of the defining aspects of AI under this regulation." https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs/services/legal/2024/digital-regulations-eu-ai-act.pdf https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs...
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
03data 2y ago
Link to actual legislation: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2024/1689 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2024/1689 > Chapters I and II shall apply from 2 February 2025;
- Oras 2y ago
  Yes, from a Sunday! Is that common in legislations? Effective from a weekend?
  - p0w3n3d 2y ago
    Sounds like a being a bit in a hurry.

37 points by belter 2y ago

The EU is great at creating regulations to strangle young technologies in their crib. The "AI Act" has noble-sounding goals, but the bureaucrats who created this have no idea what it means or what effects it will have. What I haven't been able to discover, is exactly who is behind the AI Act. It would be very informative to know which lobbyists and organizations are pushing for it.

belter 2y ago
The EU has a serious problem with hidden lobbying, but instead of propagating conspiracy theories maybe better read the details of the law. It's fairly balanced and transparent. Artificial Intelligence – Questions and Answers: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_21_1683 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_... The regulation: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO... https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs/services/legal/2024/digital-regulations-eu-ai-act.pdf https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs...
- hcfman 2y ago
  It's not about how the law appears to be. It's about the damage that can be caused through interpretation of the law that's the problem.
ktallett 2y ago
I question young technologies considering ML (which 'AI' is a form of) has really been around since the 80's, it's just in its current form it is new. I would also state that this is primarily focusing on aspects that could considerably impact people's lives in a negative manner if used incorrectly especially as it has inherent bias. Facial recoqnition is already used within certain police forces, and without regulations on detection threshold, this could end up with significant issues regarding false recoqnition from police forces who already have significant bias.
- hcfman 2y ago
  Ah, but there are loopholes for government use.
hcfman 2y ago
Sorry dude. That's personal information. Privacy laws prevent you from finding that out. That's your privacy rights at work in the way they are intended.
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
God forbid we learn anything from our experience with social media and try to think something through before transforming society with it.
- Nasrudith 2y ago
  Have we ever successfully thought through any new technology before implementing it, though? At the launch time of social media transforming society was clear VC hype and due to that implicitly ignored. "Dude it is just a website.". I cannot think of a single time that a transformative technology was "thought through" ahead of time. Such standards just become basically intellectual NIMBYism, demanding onerous standards to try to make it go away.

robertlagrant 2y ago

> The Commission proposed enshrining in EU law a legal definition of 'AI system' referring to a range of software-based technologies using specific techniques and approaches ('machine learning', 'logic and knowledge-based' systems, and 'statistical' approaches) that could be complemented through the adoption of delegated acts to factor in technological developments. This seems very broad. Almost anything could be a logic and knowledge-based system. And - genuine question - isn't ML a statistical approach?

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hcfman 2y ago
Yep! Broad. The new EU way. Leave everything open to interpretation so that can slapp you if they don't like you.
- belter 2y ago
  Nope, but nice try... "Given its abstract nature, the legislation contains areas that are yet to be fully defined. These are expected to be elaborated on through delegated and implementing acts, guidelines by the EU institutions, as well as harmonized standards developed by European Standardization Organizations. As a result, businesses can expect to receive more detailed guidance in the near future." Scope of the AI Act: "Furthermore, the recitals – which clarify the AI Act’s regulatory text – specify that the definition of AI does not include basic traditional software or purely rule-based programming created by humans for automatic operations. Despite this, the definition remains wide, covering the majority of systems available on the market. ...Finally, the Commission has been tasked with developing guidelines for applying the definition of an AI system, which grant further guidance of the defining aspects of AI under this regulation." https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs/services/legal/2024/digital-regulations-eu-ai-act.pdf https://www.deloitte.com/content/dam/assets-zone2/nl/en/docs...
  - robertlagrant 2y ago

03data 2y ago

Link to actual legislation: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2024/1689 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2024/1689 > Chapters I and II shall apply from 2 February 2025;

Oras 2y ago
Yes, from a Sunday! Is that common in legislations? Effective from a weekend?
- p0w3n3d 2y ago
  Sounds like a being a bit in a hurry.