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Right now, my goto is signalhire

by qingcharles 2y ago

stavros 2y ago
Thank you, though I have a feeling that they get their data from their own sign up form.
- mathgeek 2y ago
  This is to be expected as a source of their data, no?
  - stavros 2y ago
    Yeah, it would be, it's just a bit ironic.
DoctorOetker 2y ago
As we all know some of the "consent" pop-ups have a first page of general settings, and then a "vendors" page to further deselect all the "legitimate interests". I recently noticed that a fraction of the "vendors" allow deselecting the "legitimate interest" but have the "consent" tick box marked and unmodifiable. Consider the following page: https://www.brighthub.com/environment/renewable-energy/articles/54332/ https://www.brighthub.com/environment/renewable-energy/artic... The following vendors have un-deselectable "consent" tickboxes: Skimbit Ltd Confiant Inc. Lumen Research Limited Visarity Technologies GmbH DoubleVerify Inc. Revcontent, LLC Adssets AB Integral Ad Science (incorporating ADmantX) Mirando GmbH & Co KG Polar Mobile Group Inc. Rockabox Media Ltd Telecoming S.A. Seenthis AB HUMAN Papirfly AS NEXD One Tech Group GmbH illuma technology limited CHEQ AI TECHNOLOGIES Adjust Digital A/S VRTCAL Markets Inc Cavai AS Kiosked Ltd Protected Media LTD Oracle Data Cloud - Moat Bannernow, Inc. Jetpack Digital LLC GeoEdge Ensighten IVO Media Ltd Online Media Solutions LTD Mobkoi Ltd Redbranch, Inc dba Fraudlogix Alphalyr SAS Silverbullet Data Services Group Stream Eye OOD adbalancer Werbeagentur GmbH Somplo Ltd Velocity Made Good LLC Vyde Ltd. Adelaide Metrics Inc Sqreem Technologies Private Limited TMT Digital Inc dpa-infocom GmbH Brandhouse/Subsero A/S streaMonkey GmbH Alkimi Zeit Agency ApS Sitewit, Corp AccountInsight Ltd Aderize, Inc. fraud0 GmbH Channel99, Inc. Videobot Ltd Appstock LTD. Dando online LTD EMBRACE Systems GmbH Hiili SL YIELDBIRD SP. Z O.O. Volentio JSD Limited BEAPUP SOLUTIONS LTD Public Good Software Inc. Kidoz Inc. DataDome SA Sarigato Sp. z o.o. Gesher Software LTD dba bridgeupp Playdigo Inc Sipo Inc EliteAppgrade SpinX Pte Ltd Creatopy INC Codevelop Technologies GmbH Adgrid Media, LLC ProgrammaticX LTD Nitrouppi LTD 9 Dots Media Ltd Vudoo Pty Ltd Mobavenue Media Pvt Ltd Carbonatix LTD 1) What is up with these? 2) Are these even legal under GDPR rules? 3) Does this not nullify arguments by certain 3 letter agencies that users "consent" to their tracking? 4) Who is behind these companies? Any idea on how to approach this from an investigative journalism angle? Can we figure out the headquarters, employee counts, CEO's of these companies? 5) If "undeselectable consent tickboxes" qualify as legally valid consent, doesn't this set a precedent to foist off miryads of types of lack of consent as "consent"? Will this enable legalizing rape? Where does this Pandora's box end? How is this any different from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fQsrwBi2Jo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fQsrwBi2Jo 6) As far as I understand, an illegal contract is void. If the forms submitted by users contained undeselectable "consent tickboxes"; then the forms no longer constitute legal contracts. Observe that this is regardless of the preferences of all the other tickboxes: even if users were to lazy to deselect all the deselectable tickboxes, the mere presence of deselectable tickboxes voids these forms as contracts. This means that all the other vendors didn't receive any consent, since their specific submitted form-as-a-contract is void, even if the majority of the vendors had consent tickboxes that could be deselected. It would seem prudent for such companies to insist that the forms don't contain undeselectable tickboxes for any companies since it would nullify the consent they hope to receive.
- tpxl 2y ago
  2) Are these even legal under GDPR rules? No. And nobody cares.
- ParetoOptimal 2y ago
  Maybe you should look up their CEOs info on SignalHire and ask them?
  - DoctorOetker 2y ago
    I refuse to reward their behavior, one doesn't fight fire with fire.
- lsharkey602 2y ago
  As a European resident, I have put in a complaint to the company for you. Should it be dismissed out-of-hand, I will forward a complaint to my national Information Commissioner's office. I will post any results.
  - DoctorOetker 2y ago
    out of curiosity: which company did you put in a complaint to? about posting any results: I assume you are aware that after some time it is no longer possible to add comments to a HN discussion, I assume you will post any progress as a HN submission?

Right now, my goto is signalhire

stavros 2y ago

Thank you, though I have a feeling that they get their data from their own sign up form.

mathgeek 2y ago
This is to be expected as a source of their data, no?
- stavros 2y ago
  Yeah, it would be, it's just a bit ironic.

DoctorOetker 2y ago

As we all know some of the "consent" pop-ups have a first page of general settings, and then a "vendors" page to further deselect all the "legitimate interests". I recently noticed that a fraction of the "vendors" allow deselecting the "legitimate interest" but have the "consent" tick box marked and unmodifiable. Consider the following page: https://www.brighthub.com/environment/renewable-energy/articles/54332/ https://www.brighthub.com/environment/renewable-energy/artic... The following vendors have un-deselectable "consent" tickboxes: Skimbit Ltd Confiant Inc. Lumen Research Limited Visarity Technologies GmbH DoubleVerify Inc. Revcontent, LLC Adssets AB Integral Ad Science (incorporating ADmantX) Mirando GmbH & Co KG Polar Mobile Group Inc. Rockabox Media Ltd Telecoming S.A. Seenthis AB HUMAN Papirfly AS NEXD One Tech Group GmbH illuma technology limited CHEQ AI TECHNOLOGIES Adjust Digital A/S VRTCAL Markets Inc Cavai AS Kiosked Ltd Protected Media LTD Oracle Data Cloud - Moat Bannernow, Inc. Jetpack Digital LLC GeoEdge Ensighten IVO Media Ltd Online Media Solutions LTD Mobkoi Ltd Redbranch, Inc dba Fraudlogix Alphalyr SAS Silverbullet Data Services Group Stream Eye OOD adbalancer Werbeagentur GmbH Somplo Ltd Velocity Made Good LLC Vyde Ltd. Adelaide Metrics Inc Sqreem Technologies Private Limited TMT Digital Inc dpa-infocom GmbH Brandhouse/Subsero A/S streaMonkey GmbH Alkimi Zeit Agency ApS Sitewit, Corp AccountInsight Ltd Aderize, Inc. fraud0 GmbH Channel99, Inc. Videobot Ltd Appstock LTD. Dando online LTD EMBRACE Systems GmbH Hiili SL YIELDBIRD SP. Z O.O. Volentio JSD Limited BEAPUP SOLUTIONS LTD Public Good Software Inc. Kidoz Inc. DataDome SA Sarigato Sp. z o.o. Gesher Software LTD dba bridgeupp Playdigo Inc Sipo Inc EliteAppgrade SpinX Pte Ltd Creatopy INC Codevelop Technologies GmbH Adgrid Media, LLC ProgrammaticX LTD Nitrouppi LTD 9 Dots Media Ltd Vudoo Pty Ltd Mobavenue Media Pvt Ltd Carbonatix LTD 1) What is up with these? 2) Are these even legal under GDPR rules? 3) Does this not nullify arguments by certain 3 letter agencies that users "consent" to their tracking? 4) Who is behind these companies? Any idea on how to approach this from an investigative journalism angle? Can we figure out the headquarters, employee counts, CEO's of these companies? 5) If "undeselectable consent tickboxes" qualify as legally valid consent, doesn't this set a precedent to foist off miryads of types of lack of consent as "consent"? Will this enable legalizing rape? Where does this Pandora's box end? How is this any different from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fQsrwBi2Jo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fQsrwBi2Jo 6) As far as I understand, an illegal contract is void. If the forms submitted by users contained undeselectable "consent tickboxes"; then the forms no longer constitute legal contracts. Observe that this is regardless of the preferences of all the other tickboxes: even if users were to lazy to deselect all the deselectable tickboxes, the mere presence of deselectable tickboxes voids these forms as contracts. This means that all the other vendors didn't receive any consent, since their specific submitted form-as-a-contract is void, even if the majority of the vendors had consent tickboxes that could be deselected. It would seem prudent for such companies to insist that the forms don't contain undeselectable tickboxes for any companies since it would nullify the consent they hope to receive.

tpxl 2y ago
2) Are these even legal under GDPR rules? No. And nobody cares.
ParetoOptimal 2y ago
Maybe you should look up their CEOs info on SignalHire and ask them?
- DoctorOetker 2y ago
  I refuse to reward their behavior, one doesn't fight fire with fire.
lsharkey602 2y ago
As a European resident, I have put in a complaint to the company for you. Should it be dismissed out-of-hand, I will forward a complaint to my national Information Commissioner's office. I will post any results.
- DoctorOetker 2y ago
  out of curiosity: which company did you put in a complaint to? about posting any results: I assume you are aware that after some time it is no longer possible to add comments to a HN discussion, I assume you will post any progress as a HN submission?