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The Dumbest Trade War Fallout Begins
- ggm 2y agohttps://archive.md/VK6uJ https://archive.md/VK6uJ
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- ipython 2y agoStrange that the wsj has suddenly found some courage, considering they were the among the biggest cheerleaders of his candidacy. Did they not hear him continually say he would impose tariffs on day one?
- tombert 2y agoIt appears that literally every one of Trump's followers assumed he wasn't serious about this. The people I've talked to about this seem to be very surprised that he did exactly what he said he'd do. I have lots of pretty negative things to say about said followers but I don't want to get hellbanned by dang.
- cozzyd 2y agoIt's a power he has, of course he's going to exercise it, just like a toddler presses all the buttons on the elevator.
- tombert 2y agoI mean, sure, but it's still completely frustrating to me. It's especially frustrating that these people are always looking for secret "codes" being spelled out by politicians, instead of actually listening to anything they actually say. I saw a meme recently that said Trump was wearing a purple tie to signify unity between Republicans and Democrats, despite the fact that Trump spent the entire talk complaining about Democrats. It's infuriating, and it's worse than "stupid", it's outright dishonesty on their end.
- cocacola1 2y agoMaybe it’s me, but I’ve seen a general uptick in people trying to discern meaning from meaningless drivel over the years. Not to make light of the current situation, but I recall people reading tea leaves trying to divine that Rockstar would make some significant GTA6 announcement on December 27th.
- tombert 2y agoOh I hear you, and it drives me crazy for that stuff too. It's not exclusive to conservatives, I know plenty of left-leaning people who do dumb stuff like this too, but it does seem to have become the identity of the party after Trump took over.
- morkalork 2y ago"The bear is sticky"
- mcphage 2y ago> I recall people reading tea leaves trying to divine that Rockstar would make some significant GTA6 announcement on December 27th Good ol' "U R MR GAY" strikes again.
- red-iron-pine 2y agothe point behind the "firehose" disformation strategy is to keep a constant, unceasing stream of that BS going all the time. often it doesn't even involve making stuff up -- just let the rubes spew dumb ideas via social media and run some mild repost bots. the point is that there is so much dumb stuff any real, valuable speculation gets lost in the noise, and correct (if only semi-credible) discussion gets drowned out by other bits.
- Grosvenor 2y agoToddlers?
- defrost 2y agoNot all the buttons, famously (in many puzzles) just the ones they can reach. > It's a power he has, I̶'̶d̶ [of] course he's going to exercise it, Dang? Surely not!
- donbox 2y agoYeah, especially the ones colored red, which are also usually on the bottom row.
- polotics 2y agoWhat if you're wrong? What if the apparently irrational behaviour hides a well planned policy that has desirable outcomes for someone?
- cozzyd 2y agoSo the argument is that there may be some secret super compelling justification that for some reason can't be articulated, and, against all odds, hasn't been leaked, despite being telegraphed for months? Yeah, that's not plausible at all.
- ty6853 2y agoIMO the tariff on Canada is purely because they are in free trade with Mexico and without Canada imposing the same tariff on mex, the US must impose the same on Canada or they become trivially an import proxy to bypass our tariffs on Mexico. What the US really wants imo is for Canada to tariff Mexico so we can remove the Canada tariff without undermining the Mexican one. Pretty much guarantee we'll see Trump pushing Canada to do that in the upcoming negotiations.
- cozzyd 2y agoYet, rather than saying that, Trump is implying that he wants Canada to be a US state. Whether or not he means that, US-Canada relations will be irreparably harmed for a long time.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoPretty sure Trump doesn't actually want that. If Canada became a US state, it would add two US Senators, and several US Representatives. Those new members of the US Congress would be likely to not be Republicans. Mind you, I don't know if Trump has thought that far. But "own Canada, but good bye ruling majority"? I'm not sure he really wants that.
- bryanlarsen 2y agoWhich of course, is the opposite of what just happened - Trump just delayed the Mexican tariff implementation. Sounds like he's more interested in punishing Canada than punishing Mexico.
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- tombert 2y agoI don't want to dickride too much, but I feel like HN is decidedly less awful than most other discussion boards, in no small part because it has decent moderation. I do think that sometimes they're a bit too quick to flag something purely because it can be deemed "political", but for the most part I think that HN's moderation has been ok.
- hipadev23 2y ago> > I feel like HN is decidedly less awful than most other discussion boards I agree, but that's unfortunately a very low bar these days. If we got rid of upvotes/downvotes (keep flagging privileges, but make it public record, and abuse-it-you-lose-it) the variety of thought and ideas on HN would 100x overnight.
- addandsubtract 2y ago> Users on HN learn what sentiment on a given topic is rewarded and repeat it in exchange for upvotes. I don't disagree, but the biggest reward (most) people see in life is money. People have adopted the philosophy of "morals and ethics be damned, if it makes ME more money, I'm doing it." The biggest and best role forums, such as HN, can play is to show and communicate with people that there are issues bigger than money. That even if you were to donate your entire paycheck to charity, you enabling Zuck, Bezos, Musk & co. is worse for the world.
- creato 2y agoThere were comments like that on HN, assuring us all that Trump has serious people figuring out a rational plan for tariffs.
- HDThoreaun 2y agoTo be fair Trump immediately forgets the vast majority of the stuff he claims he'll do. Im definitely surprised that he followed through on the tariffs even though theyre pretty easy for him to implement.
- stevenwoo 2y agoBut not too much courage, nobody took credit for writing this, it just says editorial board.
- apexalpha 2y agoSeems a logical decision given the President's tendency to retaliate on a personal level against those who 'wrong' him by just doing their job.
- perihelions 2y ago- "Did they not hear him continually say he would impose tariffs on day one?" I've read that a major bank advised there was a <20% chance of those tariffs actually happening. Polymarket was at 30% a couple days ago. They assumed he was bluffing. https://polymarket.com/event/will-trump-impose-large-tariffs-in-first-6-months https://polymarket.com/event/will-trump-impose-large-tariffs... ("Will Trump impose large tariffs in his first 6 months?")
- ipython 2y agoIt’s still only at 2/3?
- inverted_flag 2y agoThe tariffs take effect Tuesday, so there’s still a possibility that Trump backs off.
- voisin 2y agoWith Trump’s first presidency I had read many times that people took him figuratively when they should have taken him literally. Not sure what the excuse is today, since he clearly said he was going to do the things he is doing now. Again taking him figuratively rather than literally?
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- megamike 2y agoDonald Trump says Americans could feel 'pain' thanks to tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China
- cheema33 2y ago> Donald Trump says Americans could feel 'pain' thanks to tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China This is a sacrifice Trump and Elon are willing to make.
- cozzyd 2y agoMy toddler's raspberry cravings are going to bankrupt me ...
- inverted_flag 2y agoThe upside is, maybe when grocery and gas prices double it will shake some people out of their MAGA trance.
- tombert 2y agoI wish. They're just going to lie and say their life is actually better now, or they're going to lie and say prices have actually gone down somehow, or they're going to lie and say that this is all the Democrats' fault, or they're going to lie and say it's some kind of divine thing. His followers just make shit up. I think trying to prescribe logic to it is akin to trying to "prove false"; the entire premise is malformed.
- nico 2y agoThis is how it went down in Venezuela, very quickly, unfortunately
- kragen 2y agoDo you mean in 01999, in 02002, in 02006, in 02013, in 02014, in 02015, in 02016, in 02017, in 02019, or last July? There are a lot of events in Venezuela that vaguely resemble your description but none that really match. This comment is getting downvoted now, presumably by people who think it's totally obvious which event in Venezuela nico is talking about, but can't be bothered to enlighten me. I wonder if the different downvoters even agree with each other about which one it is.
- Tadpole9181 2y agoWhy are there leading be zeros?
- szatkus 2y agoIt's one of those weird HN things... https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2550 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2550
- fluxic 2y agoCanadian liquor stores have dumped all American booze. Dinner conversation up north for the past few days has been all about travel and services boycotts (Amazon, Netflix, Uber, etc.) Haven’t heard the US anthem booed at all Canadian hockey games since the “freedom fries” days post-Iraq mobilization. Will take a decade to recover the goodwill lost this week.
- cocacola1 2y agoI’m not particularly old or nostalgic, but these past 2 weeks have certainly helped me appreciate the Obama years a lot more.
- tombert 2y agoIt was kind of nice to have a president who could actually finish a complete sentence while speaking. I miss those times.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoRemember the ruckus because he wore a tan suit? Those were the days. > U.S. Representative Peter King, a member of the Republican Party, deemed the suit's color combined with the subject matter of terrorism to be "unpresidential". He went on: "There's no way, I don't think, any of us can excuse what the president did yesterday. I mean, you have the world watching.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controve...
- tombert 2y agoYeah, or when he wanted spicy mustard on a hot dog (correction, burger). https://youtu.be/cAvq12Sa3VE https://youtu.be/cAvq12Sa3VE I found that one especially funny, because dijon mustard isn't more expensive than regular mustard! I buy dijon mustard all the time, and at least at my local grocery store the price is always within about 5% of regular yellow mustard, sometimes even less. It's not something that is out of reach of most Americans.
- throwaway657656 2y agoThe claim by the Canadian-American ambassador is that the Canadian border accounts for ~1% of Fentanyl traffic into the United States. Yet we are treating them as severely as Mexico and China. I suspect this has more to do with the U.S. President's personal feelings towards the Canadian Prime Minister. I hope I am wrong and this isn't as petty and stupid as I think it is.
- sundaeofshock 2y ago“I suspect…” There is no need to speculate about Trump’s motives. He said that he wants to annex Canada. I see no reason not to take what he says at face value.
- ttyprintk 2y agoThat seems more likely than the unhinged press release on whitehouse.gov. Tragically, as exports and opportunity decline, workers might turn to opiates more. Yet, the programs to reduce that kind of harm aren’t mentioned at all.
- ggm 2y agowhy flagged? What causes flaggage on a topic like this? I suppose the implicit reasons are many, but suspicion it's organised (or self organising) opposition to talking about "boring" things on HN.
- erentz 2y agoI have noticed anything related to Elon Musk, DOGE, and Trump is flagged or very quickly I check back and it has somehow wound up several pages downranked no matter how recent or how many upvotes it was getting. Even articles that are tech in nature like the access to Treasury payments or the stories about the people working for him. I’ve seen the HN mod go out of his way to unflag actual conspiracy theories and yet here we are where real significant news can’t be discussed because of the people involved.
- ggm 2y agoI'm 50/50 on this one. I clicked so I can't deny interest. But, at some level there are plenty of spaces to talk about the politics, and damn few which have the focus on the tech aspects. If the discussion was solidly on IPR, cross border data, comms, IT services, I could see it here. I do think that a cohort of people who probably always felt more aligned to the ethos behind Musk/Theil/Bezos and who resented being "shamed out" might be more willing to show their point of view now. The quickest path for them would be a mixture of tart comment contradicting my view, and flagging top levels (or comments) to get out of the problem quickly. It's ironic perhaps, that the best path for a libertarian is to chill speech, but its quick and effective. (yes, thats probably insulting somebody)
- soupfordummies 2y agoI see the "tech not politics" argument on all these insta-flagged posts. I think that the site has evolved from that though. There may be plenty of spaces to talk about politics but I don't know of too many other spaces around the 'net with such a bar of intelligent, informed and articulate folks like this one. I think people gravitate here to see what others have to say that isn't just a name-calling cess pool of ignorance like most of the rest of the net
- ttyprintk 2y agohttps://archive.ph/VK6uJ https://archive.ph/VK6uJ