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You’re saying this on HN, where plenty of people work on software affecting tens of millions of people. You wanna leave your phone number and explain your “well

You’re saying this on HN, where plenty of people work on software affecting tens of millions of people. You wanna leave your phone number and explain your “well I ain’t offended” strategy to the next PM who’ll ask you about their users in Taiwan? The Russian speakers in Ukraine who saw their homes demolished by those who brandish the flag you’re not offended by? Maybe I should just invite you to my country of Belgium (four languages, not one of them being “the Belgian one”) for you to see what people here routinely think of those who can’t imagine the simple differences :)

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troad 2y ago
I had initially posted a joke reply to this, but I'll post a serious one: I care a lot more about getting necessary services to elderly, semi-literate Russian-speaking babushkas fleeing Ukraine, by giving them an obvious indicator (on e.g. a name tag) that someone can speak to them, help them, then I care about your completely absurd, concocted 'well akshuallys'.
- bawolff 2y ago
  Guess the Crimean Tatar speakers just get screwed?
  - troad 2y ago
    Yes, sadly, by Stalin and Putin, not by the choice of language symbols. Crimean Tartars, by the way, are a great example of a people that have their own flag, despite that flag not being the official flag of any independent nation-state. If someone is a speaker of Crimean Tartar, and working with Ukrainian refugees, they should add that flag to their name tag too.
- scrollaway 2y ago
  I work in Brussels with a lot of Ukrainians — both fighters and refugees. I’ve made this a part of my day to day life since the full scale invasion. We until recently even shared an office with the Ukrainian Voices refugee committee, in fact. Seeing as you say you care about getting services to those people, let’s talk about putting your money where your keyboard is. Reach out via my profile and let me know how much you’d like to contribute.
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  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    That's a useless way to rebut their specific argument. Not a single reason in your post. You could talk about your experience, but you're not doing that. And the claims they made about how much they care were not extreme. "Putting their money where their keyboard is" could be accomplished with $10. Would $10 make you happy or settle anything at all?
    - scrollaway 2y ago
      My experience? My experience is you have a lot of people who claim to care about Ukraine, but then go on to say things such as “they should just give up the land”. The above conversation is a good example of this. Ukrainian people are very patriotic especially now, and flags are a highly symbolic and meaningful subject. And not wanting to listen to “just don’t use a flag for languages”, which is a ridiculously simple ask, to then pretend it’s not a big deal for those who lost their homes and families? GP has no idea what it’s like to be be in the exact case they claim to care about. So yes, I’ll take $10 for some drone parts, instead of trying to educate those who don’t listen to the simplest asks.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        > My experience? Your experience with flag use. Your experience with people claiming to care about Ukraine isn't relevant because the above user only claimed that they care about it significantly more than a thing they don't care about. That's a super weak claim. You're twisting it into a major claim so you can put them down for failing to live up to your standards of caring, when it was only a relative comparison. > GP has no idea what it’s like Which you are not trying to remedy. You are only trying to prove they don't care enough, as if that's going to somehow prove their original claim about flag use incorrect. > I’ll take $10 for some drone parts, instead of trying to educate Instead of? Does that mean no explanation even if you get them to donate? > those who don’t listen to the simplest ask Simple doesn't mean correct. Both sides of this argument are simple.

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troad 2y ago

I had initially posted a joke reply to this, but I'll post a serious one: I care a lot more about getting necessary services to elderly, semi-literate Russian-speaking babushkas fleeing Ukraine, by giving them an obvious indicator (on e.g. a name tag) that someone can speak to them, help them, then I care about your completely absurd, concocted 'well akshuallys'.

bawolff 2y ago
Guess the Crimean Tatar speakers just get screwed?
- troad 2y ago
  Yes, sadly, by Stalin and Putin, not by the choice of language symbols. Crimean Tartars, by the way, are a great example of a people that have their own flag, despite that flag not being the official flag of any independent nation-state. If someone is a speaker of Crimean Tartar, and working with Ukrainian refugees, they should add that flag to their name tag too.
scrollaway 2y ago
I work in Brussels with a lot of Ukrainians — both fighters and refugees. I’ve made this a part of my day to day life since the full scale invasion. We until recently even shared an office with the Ukrainian Voices refugee committee, in fact. Seeing as you say you care about getting services to those people, let’s talk about putting your money where your keyboard is. Reach out via my profile and let me know how much you’d like to contribute.
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- Dylan16807 2y ago
  That's a useless way to rebut their specific argument. Not a single reason in your post. You could talk about your experience, but you're not doing that. And the claims they made about how much they care were not extreme. "Putting their money where their keyboard is" could be accomplished with $10. Would $10 make you happy or settle anything at all?
  - scrollaway 2y ago
    My experience? My experience is you have a lot of people who claim to care about Ukraine, but then go on to say things such as “they should just give up the land”. The above conversation is a good example of this. Ukrainian people are very patriotic especially now, and flags are a highly symbolic and meaningful subject. And not wanting to listen to “just don’t use a flag for languages”, which is a ridiculously simple ask, to then pretend it’s not a big deal for those who lost their homes and families? GP has no idea what it’s like to be be in the exact case they claim to care about. So yes, I’ll take $10 for some drone parts, instead of trying to educate those who don’t listen to the simplest asks.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      > My experience? Your experience with flag use. Your experience with people claiming to care about Ukraine isn't relevant because the above user only claimed that they care about it significantly more than a thing they don't care about. That's a super weak claim. You're twisting it into a major claim so you can put them down for failing to live up to your standards of caring, when it was only a relative comparison. > GP has no idea what it’s like Which you are not trying to remedy. You are only trying to prove they don't care enough, as if that's going to somehow prove their original claim about flag use incorrect. > I’ll take $10 for some drone parts, instead of trying to educate Instead of? Does that mean no explanation even if you get them to donate? > those who don’t listen to the simplest ask Simple doesn't mean correct. Both sides of this argument are simple.