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The "right" is basically trying to assert (without saying it out loud) that science is wrong. They're also basically either intentionally or unintentionally con

The "right" is basically trying to assert (without saying it out loud) that science is wrong. They're also basically either intentionally or unintentionally confusing gender and sex. Science has shown that there is more than two combinations of X and Y chromosomes. So if you went by chromosomes alone, there's more than two sexes. And if you go by phenotypic categorization (secondary sex characteristics, like tits, balls, dick, vagina, voice, height, etc), there's a multitude of sexes and male and female are just categories. Again this is well-documented in scientific literature, it's biology 101. But then "the right" also mix in references to gender as banned. Gender, as every half-educated person knows by now, is different than sex: gender is social expression, sex is biological expression. Gender is your clothes and hair and voice and name, sex is the junk in your pants. But the "right" is basically saying: "Hey, science is wrong! And these weird leftists are wrong! Sex determination doesn't matter, gender determination doesn't matter. There's only two things in the world, ever, and we call them male and female. Science and society and logic and reason and everything else can get fucked." It's political psychosis. Hate-filled zealots who are so hell-bent on imagining the world in a more simplistic way that they literally want to re-define reality to fit their wishes. It's the book Nineteen-Eighty-Four, being enacted in real life. This isn't a joke or hyperbole, this is literally what's happening. They're creating a government of insanity. Since they can't literally stop people from having all kinds of combinations of chromosomes and primary/secondary sex characteristics, the next step will be what the Nazis did, which is to round up anyone who doesn't fit a "normal body" and incarcerate them or force them into medical procedures to "fix them". (we actually did this in the past, too, not just the Nazis) But before we get there, the first step is to force the government to perpetuate the psychosis so they can say it's official, and then people will swallow it easier. They are betting that we won't do anything. And we won't.

userbinator 2y ago
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defrost 2y ago
Hmm, rather than waste my response to the two deadheaded comments below the above and now my zombie peers; I wrote: > an explanation for the recently-invented concept of "gender". Perhaps recent to certain Europeans in central north america .. but hardly a recently invented concept. When I was a kid in the 1960s in the Austral Asian equatorial region the missionaries were going hard trying to stamp out Sistergirls, the bugis gender roles, and every other abomination under God that caught their eye. As I heard tell, indigenous north and south americans had expanded concepts of gender that got the same treatment. If there's a fallacy it likely lies with repressed WASP types brainwashed into a rigid moral prison of a worldview.
IshKebab 2y ago
I don't think it's really about science. I mean if anything the science agrees with them. Sex is extremely bimodal (intersex is on the order of 1 in 1000): https://isna.org/faq/frequency/ https://isna.org/faq/frequency/ Also the use of gender as "it's like, how you feel, man" is very recent. When I was growing up (80s, 90s) it was just a synonym of "sex". If you look in old dictionaries that's what it says. I looked it up and apparently the more recent definition came from feminists in the 70s (I guess it didn't catch on until later). I think this is a massive over-correction (banning words is dumb) but they're not completely wrong. I think the sane path lies in the middle: people shouldn't be forced to avoid "pregnant women" or "pregnant people". That includes being forced by social ostracism, which is the far left's method of choice.
- defrost 2y ago
  Taking it back to RealScience™ is fine. Elemental distribution in the universe is also extremely bimodal .. moreso even than the exceptions to the reproductive male or reproductive female buckets. Everything in the universe is either Hydrogen or Helium .. save for a tiny tiny cluster of exceptions known (to astronomers) as "metals" and as "every other damn element including carbon and oxygen" to the aquatic apes. Science is quite happy to endlessly study things with a frequency of ppm (parts per million) and less.
  - IshKebab 2y ago
    > Everything in the universe is either Hydrogen or Helium Not sure what point you're trying to make here but we don't live in a star.
    - defrost 2y ago
      We do all live in the same universe. Give it some time, it may come to you eventually. Or not.
      - IshKebab 2y ago
        Well I guessed that you were trying to make a point about how our language is highly biased towards heavy elements even though they are a tiny proportion of the universe, and that means it also makes sense to bias our language towards intersex people even though they are a tiny proportion of the population. But it can't be that because that is an obviously stupid point. So what was your point?
cherryteastain 2y ago
> Science has shown that there is more than two combinations of X and Y chromosomes. So if you went by chromosomes alone, there's more than two sexes This undermines the point most "gender positive" people want to make. Yes, there are non XX or XY people, but they're rare compared to XX/XY transgender people. They also tend to have issues like learning disabilities and problems with speech. By conflating transgender people with people with chromosomal irregularities you're establishing a link suggesting XX/XY transgenderism is also a "disorder".
carcudder 2y ago
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brigandish 2y ago
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EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago
But those xyz combinations are not deceases, right? Why should we spend public money on that?

userbinator 2y ago

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nathanaldensr 2y ago
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defrost 2y ago

Hmm, rather than waste my response to the two deadheaded comments below the above and now my zombie peers; I wrote: > an explanation for the recently-invented concept of "gender". Perhaps recent to certain Europeans in central north america .. but hardly a recently invented concept. When I was a kid in the 1960s in the Austral Asian equatorial region the missionaries were going hard trying to stamp out Sistergirls, the bugis gender roles, and every other abomination under God that caught their eye. As I heard tell, indigenous north and south americans had expanded concepts of gender that got the same treatment. If there's a fallacy it likely lies with repressed WASP types brainwashed into a rigid moral prison of a worldview.

IshKebab 2y ago

I don't think it's really about science. I mean if anything the science agrees with them. Sex is extremely bimodal (intersex is on the order of 1 in 1000): https://isna.org/faq/frequency/ https://isna.org/faq/frequency/ Also the use of gender as "it's like, how you feel, man" is very recent. When I was growing up (80s, 90s) it was just a synonym of "sex". If you look in old dictionaries that's what it says. I looked it up and apparently the more recent definition came from feminists in the 70s (I guess it didn't catch on until later). I think this is a massive over-correction (banning words is dumb) but they're not completely wrong. I think the sane path lies in the middle: people shouldn't be forced to avoid "pregnant women" or "pregnant people". That includes being forced by social ostracism, which is the far left's method of choice.

defrost 2y ago
Taking it back to RealScience™ is fine. Elemental distribution in the universe is also extremely bimodal .. moreso even than the exceptions to the reproductive male or reproductive female buckets. Everything in the universe is either Hydrogen or Helium .. save for a tiny tiny cluster of exceptions known (to astronomers) as "metals" and as "every other damn element including carbon and oxygen" to the aquatic apes. Science is quite happy to endlessly study things with a frequency of ppm (parts per million) and less.
- IshKebab 2y ago
  > Everything in the universe is either Hydrogen or Helium Not sure what point you're trying to make here but we don't live in a star.
  - defrost 2y ago
    We do all live in the same universe. Give it some time, it may come to you eventually. Or not.
    - IshKebab 2y ago
      Well I guessed that you were trying to make a point about how our language is highly biased towards heavy elements even though they are a tiny proportion of the universe, and that means it also makes sense to bias our language towards intersex people even though they are a tiny proportion of the population. But it can't be that because that is an obviously stupid point. So what was your point?

cherryteastain 2y ago

> Science has shown that there is more than two combinations of X and Y chromosomes. So if you went by chromosomes alone, there's more than two sexes This undermines the point most "gender positive" people want to make. Yes, there are non XX or XY people, but they're rare compared to XX/XY transgender people. They also tend to have issues like learning disabilities and problems with speech. By conflating transgender people with people with chromosomal irregularities you're establishing a link suggesting XX/XY transgenderism is also a "disorder".

carcudder 2y ago

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brigandish 2y ago

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EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 2y ago

But those xyz combinations are not deceases, right? Why should we spend public money on that?