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biologically male, biologically female The trans stuff has definitely been controversial, but those phrases are definitely not "woke"?

oguz-ismail 2y ago
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- thomasfedb 2y ago
  The adverb correctly identifies that it’s more complicated than that. The fantasy that “biological reality” is anything other than substantially more complicated and messy than a neat dichotomy with perfect alignment across sex characteristics and gender is both wrong and obviously so. Nothing in medicine or biology is so simple. There’s always a way for the human organism to be more complicated. It keeps me very busy and in a job.
Qwertious 2y ago
The implication of the term is that there are other contexts for "male" or "female" other than "biologically". If "non-woke" contexts assume that male/female are inherently biological terms, then "biologically [male/female" is obviously "woke".
- technothrasher 2y ago
  Your second sentence is tautological, and also begging the question.
- pests 2y ago
  I don't see the implication. How is it obviously woke?
  - honestSysAdmin 2y ago
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  - Qwertious 2y ago
    It acknowledges trans people exist. And I put the word "woke" in quotes, because it's stupid and it's not my word.
kevingadd 2y ago
Just using the term "cis" on Twitter under Musk gets you a suspension, chemistry be damned.
- breakitmakeit 2y ago
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- CursedUrn 2y ago
  This isn't true. You can search Twitter for 'cis' and find endless unbanned accounts.
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0xbadcafebee 2y ago
The "right" is basically trying to assert (without saying it out loud) that science is wrong. They're also basically either intentionally or unintentionally confusing gender and sex. Science has shown that there is more than two combinations of X and Y chromosomes. So if you went by chromosomes alone, there's more than two sexes. And if you go by phenotypic categorization (secondary sex characteristics, like tits, balls, dick, vagina, voice, height, etc), there's a multitude of sexes and male and female are just categories. Again this is well-documented in scientific literature, it's biology 101. But then "the right" also mix in references to gender as banned. Gender, as every half-educated person knows by now, is different than sex: gender is social expression, sex is biological expression. Gender is your clothes and hair and voice and name, sex is the junk in your pants. But the "right" is basically saying: "Hey, science is wrong! And these weird leftists are wrong! Sex determination doesn't matter, gender determination doesn't matter. There's only two things in the world, ever, and we call them male and female. Science and society and logic and reason and everything else can get fucked." It's political psychosis. Hate-filled zealots who are so hell-bent on imagining the world in a more simplistic way that they literally want to re-define reality to fit their wishes. It's the book Nineteen-Eighty-Four, being enacted in real life. This isn't a joke or hyperbole, this is literally what's happening. They're creating a government of insanity. Since they can't literally stop people from having all kinds of combinations of chromosomes and primary/secondary sex characteristics, the next step will be what the Nazis did, which is to round up anyone who doesn't fit a "normal body" and incarcerate them or force them into medical procedures to "fix them". (we actually did this in the past, too, not just the Nazis) But before we get there, the first step is to force the government to perpetuate the psychosis so they can say it's official, and then people will swallow it easier. They are betting that we won't do anything. And we won't.
- userbinator 2y ago
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bloak 2y ago
Indeed, the terms "biologically male" and "biologically female" have been described by activists who are not at all aligned with Trump as "trans-phobic" and a "TERF dogwhistle" so it's strange to see these two groups suddenly agreeing with each other over something.
- CSSer 2y ago
  It's a rhetorical wrestling match, not an agreement. Moreover, the reality of the majority of the larger movement doesn't always align with the loudest voices in the room, especially when it comes down to semantics. Meanwhile any search for truth in the form of science suffers.
atoav 2y ago
They got you all riled up about words and definitions while they ignore your constitution and turn the US into their own authoritarian regime. Sometimes I wonder if that isn't a little bit deserved, since people are so removed from what really counts, they might need a reminder how unlikely having democracy actually is. Divide et impera (or divide and conquer) is one of the old machiavellian imperatives. And language is enough to divide. Letting them divide you is a good way of making sure your own interest loses and theirs win.

oguz-ismail 2y ago

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thomasfedb 2y ago
The adverb correctly identifies that it’s more complicated than that. The fantasy that “biological reality” is anything other than substantially more complicated and messy than a neat dichotomy with perfect alignment across sex characteristics and gender is both wrong and obviously so. Nothing in medicine or biology is so simple. There’s always a way for the human organism to be more complicated. It keeps me very busy and in a job.

Qwertious 2y ago

The implication of the term is that there are other contexts for "male" or "female" other than "biologically". If "non-woke" contexts assume that male/female are inherently biological terms, then "biologically [male/female" is obviously "woke".

technothrasher 2y ago
Your second sentence is tautological, and also begging the question.
pests 2y ago
I don't see the implication. How is it obviously woke?
- honestSysAdmin 2y ago
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- Qwertious 2y ago
  It acknowledges trans people exist. And I put the word "woke" in quotes, because it's stupid and it's not my word.

kevingadd 2y ago

Just using the term "cis" on Twitter under Musk gets you a suspension, chemistry be damned.

breakitmakeit 2y ago
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CursedUrn 2y ago
This isn't true. You can search Twitter for 'cis' and find endless unbanned accounts.

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0xbadcafebee 2y ago

The "right" is basically trying to assert (without saying it out loud) that science is wrong. They're also basically either intentionally or unintentionally confusing gender and sex. Science has shown that there is more than two combinations of X and Y chromosomes. So if you went by chromosomes alone, there's more than two sexes. And if you go by phenotypic categorization (secondary sex characteristics, like tits, balls, dick, vagina, voice, height, etc), there's a multitude of sexes and male and female are just categories. Again this is well-documented in scientific literature, it's biology 101. But then "the right" also mix in references to gender as banned. Gender, as every half-educated person knows by now, is different than sex: gender is social expression, sex is biological expression. Gender is your clothes and hair and voice and name, sex is the junk in your pants. But the "right" is basically saying: "Hey, science is wrong! And these weird leftists are wrong! Sex determination doesn't matter, gender determination doesn't matter. There's only two things in the world, ever, and we call them male and female. Science and society and logic and reason and everything else can get fucked." It's political psychosis. Hate-filled zealots who are so hell-bent on imagining the world in a more simplistic way that they literally want to re-define reality to fit their wishes. It's the book Nineteen-Eighty-Four, being enacted in real life. This isn't a joke or hyperbole, this is literally what's happening. They're creating a government of insanity. Since they can't literally stop people from having all kinds of combinations of chromosomes and primary/secondary sex characteristics, the next step will be what the Nazis did, which is to round up anyone who doesn't fit a "normal body" and incarcerate them or force them into medical procedures to "fix them". (we actually did this in the past, too, not just the Nazis) But before we get there, the first step is to force the government to perpetuate the psychosis so they can say it's official, and then people will swallow it easier. They are betting that we won't do anything. And we won't.

userbinator 2y ago
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- nathanaldensr 2y ago
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bloak 2y ago

Indeed, the terms "biologically male" and "biologically female" have been described by activists who are not at all aligned with Trump as "trans-phobic" and a "TERF dogwhistle" so it's strange to see these two groups suddenly agreeing with each other over something.

CSSer 2y ago
It's a rhetorical wrestling match, not an agreement. Moreover, the reality of the majority of the larger movement doesn't always align with the loudest voices in the room, especially when it comes down to semantics. Meanwhile any search for truth in the form of science suffers.

atoav 2y ago

They got you all riled up about words and definitions while they ignore your constitution and turn the US into their own authoritarian regime. Sometimes I wonder if that isn't a little bit deserved, since people are so removed from what really counts, they might need a reminder how unlikely having democracy actually is. Divide et impera (or divide and conquer) is one of the old machiavellian imperatives. And language is enough to divide. Letting them divide you is a good way of making sure your own interest loses and theirs win.