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I wonder, why not expose their “free speech” hypocrisy by signing up to advertise on X with ads that do nothing but taunt Elon? Then, when they ban your account

I wonder, why not expose their “free speech” hypocrisy by signing up to advertise on X with ads that do nothing but taunt Elon? Then, when they ban your account, sue X that they won’t let you advertise on their platform.

akerl_ 2y ago
Probably because suing X for not allowing a company to advertise on their platform would be fully meritless and have no basis in the law.
- ipython 2y ago
  And what legal basis does X have in their suit against former advertisers? Also the current president did successfully extract a settlement from meta for kicking him off their platform for what meta considered at the time violations of their ToS. Not sure what the legal basis was there either.
  - akerl_ 2y ago
    The fact that some people are abusing the justice system for their own purposes doesn't suggest to me that everybody should start doing it.
    - hexavi42 2y ago
      Maybe we should though, if we have no way of effectively punishing it. Develop a policy of mutually assured destruction towards actions that are unethical but legally by-the-book.
    - ipython 2y ago
      Ah, that’s different then. I am sympathetic to your viewpoint but unfortunately it seems that we no longer are playing on a level field.
      - akerl_ 2y ago
        We have never been on a level playing field. The entire reason that many legislators have implemented anti-SLAPP laws are to provide avenues for this kind of legal action that attempts to use the courts to punish entities for expressive activity.
        ipython 2y ago
        It’s objectively gotten worse over the past decade+. Unfortunately the anti-slapp laws are fragmented and therefore don’t have the intended effect. Plaintiffs can easily venue shop, and there is no slapp protection in federal court. Even if you do live in a state with an anti-slapp statute, you may still end up with hundreds of thousands of legal fees if the plaintiff just dismisses the suit (essentially a legal DoS). See for example https://horwitz.law/victims-of-slapp-suits-cannot-recover-their-legal-fees-if-plaintiffs-withdraw-their-claims-before-hearing-holds-tennessee-supreme-court/ https://horwitz.law/victims-of-slapp-suits-cannot-recover-th... Not to mention the very lawmakers who need to pass such laws on a national level are the very ones abusing the courts. Devin Nunes is one of the most egregious offenders. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/truth-social-ceo-devin-nunes-suffers-another-loss-in-defamation-suit-after-judge-found-it-substantially-and-objectively-true-that-his-family-farm-employed-undocumented-immigrants/amp/ https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/truth-social-ceo-devin-... At this point I feel that this is as close to an end run around the 1a as you can get.
        akerl_ 2y ago
        I wish you'd take the extra couple minutes to type out your thoughts before submitting, rather than rapidly sending a 2 line reply and then immediately going back to flesh it out into a full thought. I think we generally agree more than we disagree, but it's difficult to have a dialog when while I'm typing a response, your existing comment morphs underneath me.
        ipython 2y ago
        Sorry. I am typing on my phone and researching on a tiny screen is difficult. I don’t have any anger toward you- I am passionate about this subject (although not sure what I personally can do about it) I’m curious to hear more about your viewpoint. I’ll refrain from editing my comments.
  - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
    > And what legal basis does X have in their suit against former advertisers? Thus, the article...
79terra 2y ago
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- 79terra 2y ago
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- orwin 2y ago
  Remove monetisation from Asmongold for making fun of Musk. Also banned people using the word 'cis'.
  - 79terra 2y ago
    Thank you. That's exactly how people are supposed to respond to a simple question, not by downvoting and flagging them. My replies have been downvoted, flagged and deleted, which shows how badly people on HN hate Elon and suppress anyone who doesn't say something negative about him. The monetization removal was temporary. The "cis" thing is nothing compared to the amount of censorship on other platforms. Meanwhile, my HN account is on its way to deletion for asking a simple question LMAO
thrw_wy 2y ago
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akerl_ 2y ago

Probably because suing X for not allowing a company to advertise on their platform would be fully meritless and have no basis in the law.

ipython 2y ago
And what legal basis does X have in their suit against former advertisers? Also the current president did successfully extract a settlement from meta for kicking him off their platform for what meta considered at the time violations of their ToS. Not sure what the legal basis was there either.
- akerl_ 2y ago
  The fact that some people are abusing the justice system for their own purposes doesn't suggest to me that everybody should start doing it.
  - hexavi42 2y ago
    Maybe we should though, if we have no way of effectively punishing it. Develop a policy of mutually assured destruction towards actions that are unethical but legally by-the-book.
  - ipython 2y ago
    Ah, that’s different then. I am sympathetic to your viewpoint but unfortunately it seems that we no longer are playing on a level field.
    - akerl_ 2y ago
      We have never been on a level playing field. The entire reason that many legislators have implemented anti-SLAPP laws are to provide avenues for this kind of legal action that attempts to use the courts to punish entities for expressive activity.
      - ipython 2y ago
        It’s objectively gotten worse over the past decade+. Unfortunately the anti-slapp laws are fragmented and therefore don’t have the intended effect. Plaintiffs can easily venue shop, and there is no slapp protection in federal court. Even if you do live in a state with an anti-slapp statute, you may still end up with hundreds of thousands of legal fees if the plaintiff just dismisses the suit (essentially a legal DoS). See for example https://horwitz.law/victims-of-slapp-suits-cannot-recover-their-legal-fees-if-plaintiffs-withdraw-their-claims-before-hearing-holds-tennessee-supreme-court/ https://horwitz.law/victims-of-slapp-suits-cannot-recover-th... Not to mention the very lawmakers who need to pass such laws on a national level are the very ones abusing the courts. Devin Nunes is one of the most egregious offenders. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/truth-social-ceo-devin-nunes-suffers-another-loss-in-defamation-suit-after-judge-found-it-substantially-and-objectively-true-that-his-family-farm-employed-undocumented-immigrants/amp/ https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/truth-social-ceo-devin-... At this point I feel that this is as close to an end run around the 1a as you can get.
        akerl_ 2y ago
        I wish you'd take the extra couple minutes to type out your thoughts before submitting, rather than rapidly sending a 2 line reply and then immediately going back to flesh it out into a full thought. I think we generally agree more than we disagree, but it's difficult to have a dialog when while I'm typing a response, your existing comment morphs underneath me.
        ipython 2y ago
        Sorry. I am typing on my phone and researching on a tiny screen is difficult. I don’t have any anger toward you- I am passionate about this subject (although not sure what I personally can do about it) I’m curious to hear more about your viewpoint. I’ll refrain from editing my comments.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
  > And what legal basis does X have in their suit against former advertisers? Thus, the article...

79terra 2y ago

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79terra 2y ago
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orwin 2y ago
Remove monetisation from Asmongold for making fun of Musk. Also banned people using the word 'cis'.
- 79terra 2y ago
  Thank you. That's exactly how people are supposed to respond to a simple question, not by downvoting and flagging them. My replies have been downvoted, flagged and deleted, which shows how badly people on HN hate Elon and suppress anyone who doesn't say something negative about him. The monetization removal was temporary. The "cis" thing is nothing compared to the amount of censorship on other platforms. Meanwhile, my HN account is on its way to deletion for asking a simple question LMAO

thrw_wy 2y ago

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