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It appears Society has to periodically re-learn even the hardest of lessons. What did we learn from WW1 and WW2? What did we learn from the 60's? 70's? What pri

by tmpz22 2y ago

It appears Society has to periodically re-learn even the hardest of lessons. What did we learn from WW1 and WW2? What did we learn from the 60's? 70's? What prices did we pay for those lessons? Will the old or the young have to pay the price to re-learn them? Did some countries, demographics, and ethnicities, have to pay higher prices? What are we leaving to our children?

thfuran 2y ago
>What did we learn from WW1 and WW2? How to industrialize killing on a grand scale.
- gopher_space 2y ago
  Make sure you absolutely eradicate the power base you were in conflict with?
refulgentis 2y ago
This isn't on Society: the is massively unpopular, was well-foretold, repeatedly, and the argument for ignoring it always relied on excuse-making. We will all reap what a few sowed through their own obstinate choice, and it goes beyond a one off issue with understanding tariffs. Is this just some ignorance we have to relearn as a group? No, plenty of smart people, right here, right now, talked themselves into it, and from here, they'll never, ever, admit they were wrong on it. Even though they, daily, reap the benefits of free markets and extol the benefits of them. We'll just always have insufficiently tried relying on ourselves. The site we're commenting on, the CEO retweeted some long fact-free nonsense on the subject, that when you're done reading it 10 minutes later, amounts to "juche will make us more powerful than ever before, and btw, the elites will be owned in this existential battle. dig in for war!!!" Sickening lack of self-awareness. The elites who bray about "elites" are nihilist and a destructive force, necessarily, and always have been.
firejake308 2y ago
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/670089.The_Fourth_Turning https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/670089.The_Fourth_Turnin... The Fourth Turning is a well-known book that discussed this idea exactly, that one generation learns lessons that the next generation forgets. There's a little more to it, but that's the simple idea.
fzeroracer 2y ago
I think the lesson we're going to need to learn this time is a different one, unfortunately. We're ruled by oligarchs that are, effectively, a doomsday cult of personality [1]. They've realized that neither money nor fame can buy happiness, so they've gone all in on both pseudoscience and burning down the world for excitement. That's why Elon Musk and his cronies are tearing down the government and gaining access to sensitive systems under the hood [2] and why he bought Twitter. It's all a deranged game by people far wealthier than they should be, and far stupider than people think they are. But money is power and money buys propaganda. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/tech-right-trump-inauguration https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/tech-righ.... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/01/elon-musk-treasury-payments-system/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/01/elon-musk...
- naruhodo 2y ago
  What do you think of this[1]? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no
  - fzeroracer 2y ago
    I've seen bits and pieces of this before and it's tied together with Project 2025. So I have no doubt this is what they're planning and trying to execute. I think the problem is that they're genuinely stupid. Like far too stupid to actually execute a plan of this scale without either crashing the economy, causing a default, causing the military to overthrow the executive or an outright revolution against them. They don't have a smart plan to descale and break apart the government, so they're just raiding offices and taking a hammer to everything. They're going to hit a load-bearing pillar with themselves still inside the building. And doing this sort of flash-speed deconstruction means the pain is immediate, obvious and devastating. The Romans solved this because they understood you had to placate the population with bread and circuses. The current would-be fascists can do neither.

by tmpz22 2y ago

thfuran 2y ago

>What did we learn from WW1 and WW2? How to industrialize killing on a grand scale.

gopher_space 2y ago
Make sure you absolutely eradicate the power base you were in conflict with?

refulgentis 2y ago

This isn't on Society: the is massively unpopular, was well-foretold, repeatedly, and the argument for ignoring it always relied on excuse-making. We will all reap what a few sowed through their own obstinate choice, and it goes beyond a one off issue with understanding tariffs. Is this just some ignorance we have to relearn as a group? No, plenty of smart people, right here, right now, talked themselves into it, and from here, they'll never, ever, admit they were wrong on it. Even though they, daily, reap the benefits of free markets and extol the benefits of them. We'll just always have insufficiently tried relying on ourselves. The site we're commenting on, the CEO retweeted some long fact-free nonsense on the subject, that when you're done reading it 10 minutes later, amounts to "juche will make us more powerful than ever before, and btw, the elites will be owned in this existential battle. dig in for war!!!" Sickening lack of self-awareness. The elites who bray about "elites" are nihilist and a destructive force, necessarily, and always have been.

firejake308 2y ago

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/670089.The_Fourth_Turning https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/670089.The_Fourth_Turnin... The Fourth Turning is a well-known book that discussed this idea exactly, that one generation learns lessons that the next generation forgets. There's a little more to it, but that's the simple idea.

fzeroracer 2y ago

I think the lesson we're going to need to learn this time is a different one, unfortunately. We're ruled by oligarchs that are, effectively, a doomsday cult of personality [1]. They've realized that neither money nor fame can buy happiness, so they've gone all in on both pseudoscience and burning down the world for excitement. That's why Elon Musk and his cronies are tearing down the government and gaining access to sensitive systems under the hood [2] and why he bought Twitter. It's all a deranged game by people far wealthier than they should be, and far stupider than people think they are. But money is power and money buys propaganda. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/tech-right-trump-inauguration https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/tech-righ.... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/01/elon-musk-treasury-payments-system/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/01/elon-musk...

naruhodo 2y ago
What do you think of this[1]? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no
- fzeroracer 2y ago
  I've seen bits and pieces of this before and it's tied together with Project 2025. So I have no doubt this is what they're planning and trying to execute. I think the problem is that they're genuinely stupid. Like far too stupid to actually execute a plan of this scale without either crashing the economy, causing a default, causing the military to overthrow the executive or an outright revolution against them. They don't have a smart plan to descale and break apart the government, so they're just raiding offices and taking a hammer to everything. They're going to hit a load-bearing pillar with themselves still inside the building. And doing this sort of flash-speed deconstruction means the pain is immediate, obvious and devastating. The Romans solved this because they understood you had to placate the population with bread and circuses. The current would-be fascists can do neither.