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First week we had mass deportation, second week we've heard of the building of concentration camps for undesirables, and now the modern version of book burning.

by exe34 2y ago

First week we had mass deportation, second week we've heard of the building of concentration camps for undesirables, and now the modern version of book burning. There's something different about this republican government.

southernplaces7 2y ago
>second week we've heard of the building of concentration camps for undesirables Mind posting a reference for such a declaration?
- johnneville 2y ago
  I assume they are referring to this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/expanding-migrant-operations-center-at-naval-station-guantanamo-bay-to-full-capacity/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/expa...
  - southernplaces7 2y ago
    I assumed they were referring to something like this but wanted to be sure. It's also way the fuck off base to call this a concentration camp for undesirables with all the insinuations of Nazism that come with that. This kind of Trump = Hilter hyperbole at the drop of a hat hazes all the very real and heavy criticisms that can be made of this administration. Gitmo being used as a transit camp for deported illegal immigrants is not at all as say, Sachsenhausen or Dachau being used to illegally dumb german citizens and torture them there indefinitely because they criticized the ruling regime. When Trump starts trying to dump opposing intellectuals, Hollywood producers and "wayward" reporters or writers into Gitmo for indefinite detention, then we can make some firmer claims of literal dictatorship. If anything, the use of Gitmo under Bush II, when actual U.S citizens were held there indefinitely under terrorism charges was closer to the mark than this now.
    - misnome 2y ago
      Did the Nazi program start at those levels? Or did it start with exactly this rhetoric and excuses?
      - Terr_ 2y ago
        That was probably a rhetorical question, but just-in-case, the Nazis absolutely started with deportations many years before the gas chambers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_evacuation_and_expulsion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_evacuation_and_ex... They even plotted to forcibly deport victims to fenced-in zones on an island which they would seize from another country, putting it outside their laws at home. Except it wasn't Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
      - southernplaces7 2y ago
        The Nazi program of concentration camps and terror started almost immediately, and included an enormous amount of overt, obvious, very violent state repression against anyone at all who criticized the regime. This included sending them to the first camps, formed in 1933, right after Hitler's appointment, and openly torturing and beating people, or executing them extrajudicially. None of anything from Trump's government is at all comparable so far and making such comparisons, aside from being a genuinely idiotic case of ideological exaggeration, is also an insult to real victims of real historical concentration camps and violent regimes. For all the self-congratulatory patting on the back by many readers on HN about their "superior" intellectual reasoning, I see a remarkable abundance of largely failing at such reasoning when it comes to many comment threads and subjects on this site.
        misnome 2y ago
        Wikipedia says it was two months after Hitler’s appointment before the first camps were established. It’s been less than two weeks and you are already doing the groundwork to preemptively excuse it.
    - anigbrowl 2y ago
- jamroom 2y ago
  https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-instruct-homeland-security-pentagon-prepare-migrant-facility-2025-01-29/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-instruct...
- deleted 2y ago
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- exe34 2y ago
  as posted by two others - hotel Gitmo on sands is expanding.
  - glowiefedposter 2y ago
    next week they will reserve rooms for you and the other HN bad posters there
rhinoceraptor 2y ago
I heard there was this party that had the same weird hand gesture that President Musk did a week or two ago...
matwood 2y ago
First week they also declared banned books a ‘hoax’. So maybe getting rid of existing information takes longer than a week.
tdeck 2y ago
Didn't you get the memo? Trump won 49.9% of the popular vote. That means we all need to pretend this is normal and OK now.
- coolspot 2y ago
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  - tdeck 2y ago
    You're still upset about the statues?
    - pjc50 2y ago
      People are weirdly defensive of the traitor statues.
      - Dalewyn 2y ago
        [flagged]
        pjc50 2y ago
        [flagged]
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        >In 1865, Robert E. Lee wrote to a former Confederate soldier concerning his signing the Oath of Allegiance, and I quote: "This war, being at an end, the Southern States having laid down their arms, and the questions at issue between them and the Northern States having been decided, I believe it to be the duty of everyone to unite in the restoration of the country and the reestablishment of peace and harmony." -President Gerald Ford >Whereas the authority of the Federal Government having been reestablished in all the States and Territories within the jurisdiction of the United States, it is believed that such prudential reservations and exceptions as at the dates of said several proclamations were deemed necessary and proper may now be wisely and justly relinquished, and that an universal amnesty and pardon for participation in said rebellion extended to all who have borne any part therein will tend to secure permanent peace, order, and prosperity throughout the land, and to renew and fully restore confidence and fraternal feeling among the whole people, and their respect for and attachment to the National Government, designed by its patriotic founders for the general good: -President Andrew Johnson The Civil War is over, it ended over a century and a half ago. I again, sincerely, ask you to screw off with that false narrative which serves only to divide and weaken the unity and solidarity of the country.
numpad0 2y ago
There's also the OPM email thing. (disclaimer: not an American)

by exe34 2y ago

southernplaces7 2y ago

>second week we've heard of the building of concentration camps for undesirables Mind posting a reference for such a declaration?

johnneville 2y ago
I assume they are referring to this: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/expanding-migrant-operations-center-at-naval-station-guantanamo-bay-to-full-capacity/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/expa...
- southernplaces7 2y ago
  I assumed they were referring to something like this but wanted to be sure. It's also way the fuck off base to call this a concentration camp for undesirables with all the insinuations of Nazism that come with that. This kind of Trump = Hilter hyperbole at the drop of a hat hazes all the very real and heavy criticisms that can be made of this administration. Gitmo being used as a transit camp for deported illegal immigrants is not at all as say, Sachsenhausen or Dachau being used to illegally dumb german citizens and torture them there indefinitely because they criticized the ruling regime. When Trump starts trying to dump opposing intellectuals, Hollywood producers and "wayward" reporters or writers into Gitmo for indefinite detention, then we can make some firmer claims of literal dictatorship. If anything, the use of Gitmo under Bush II, when actual U.S citizens were held there indefinitely under terrorism charges was closer to the mark than this now.
  - misnome 2y ago
    Did the Nazi program start at those levels? Or did it start with exactly this rhetoric and excuses?
    - Terr_ 2y ago
      That was probably a rhetorical question, but just-in-case, the Nazis absolutely started with deportations many years before the gas chambers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_evacuation_and_expulsion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_evacuation_and_ex... They even plotted to forcibly deport victims to fenced-in zones on an island which they would seize from another country, putting it outside their laws at home. Except it wasn't Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
    - southernplaces7 2y ago
      The Nazi program of concentration camps and terror started almost immediately, and included an enormous amount of overt, obvious, very violent state repression against anyone at all who criticized the regime. This included sending them to the first camps, formed in 1933, right after Hitler's appointment, and openly torturing and beating people, or executing them extrajudicially. None of anything from Trump's government is at all comparable so far and making such comparisons, aside from being a genuinely idiotic case of ideological exaggeration, is also an insult to real victims of real historical concentration camps and violent regimes. For all the self-congratulatory patting on the back by many readers on HN about their "superior" intellectual reasoning, I see a remarkable abundance of largely failing at such reasoning when it comes to many comment threads and subjects on this site.
      - misnome 2y ago
        Wikipedia says it was two months after Hitler’s appointment before the first camps were established. It’s been less than two weeks and you are already doing the groundwork to preemptively excuse it.
  - anigbrowl 2y ago
jamroom 2y ago
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-instruct-homeland-security-pentagon-prepare-migrant-facility-2025-01-29/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-instruct...
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exe34 2y ago
as posted by two others - hotel Gitmo on sands is expanding.
- glowiefedposter 2y ago
  next week they will reserve rooms for you and the other HN bad posters there

rhinoceraptor 2y ago

I heard there was this party that had the same weird hand gesture that President Musk did a week or two ago...

matwood 2y ago

First week they also declared banned books a ‘hoax’. So maybe getting rid of existing information takes longer than a week.

tdeck 2y ago

Didn't you get the memo? Trump won 49.9% of the popular vote. That means we all need to pretend this is normal and OK now.

coolspot 2y ago
[flagged]
- tdeck 2y ago
  You're still upset about the statues?
  - pjc50 2y ago
    People are weirdly defensive of the traitor statues.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - pjc50 2y ago
        [flagged]
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        >In 1865, Robert E. Lee wrote to a former Confederate soldier concerning his signing the Oath of Allegiance, and I quote: "This war, being at an end, the Southern States having laid down their arms, and the questions at issue between them and the Northern States having been decided, I believe it to be the duty of everyone to unite in the restoration of the country and the reestablishment of peace and harmony." -President Gerald Ford >Whereas the authority of the Federal Government having been reestablished in all the States and Territories within the jurisdiction of the United States, it is believed that such prudential reservations and exceptions as at the dates of said several proclamations were deemed necessary and proper may now be wisely and justly relinquished, and that an universal amnesty and pardon for participation in said rebellion extended to all who have borne any part therein will tend to secure permanent peace, order, and prosperity throughout the land, and to renew and fully restore confidence and fraternal feeling among the whole people, and their respect for and attachment to the National Government, designed by its patriotic founders for the general good: -President Andrew Johnson The Civil War is over, it ended over a century and a half ago. I again, sincerely, ask you to screw off with that false narrative which serves only to divide and weaken the unity and solidarity of the country.

numpad0 2y ago

There's also the OPM email thing. (disclaimer: not an American)