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These people? https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/us-news/killing-of-border-patrol-agent-appears-linked-to-zizian-radical-leftist-trans-cult/ https://nypost.com/2025
by romaaeterna 2y ago
These people?
https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/us-news/killing-of-border-patrol-agent-appears-linked-to-zizian-radical-leftist-trans-cult/ https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/us-news/killing-of-border-patr...
Is the appellation in the headline, "radical vegan trans cult," a true description?
> Authorities now say the guns used by Youngblut and Bauckholt are owned by a person of interest in other murders — and connected to a mysterious cult of transgender “geniuses” who follow a trans leader named Jack LaSota, also known by the alias “Ziz.”
Is all this murder stuff broadly correct?
- Trasmatta 2y agoThe NY Post tried to frame them as "radical leftist", but that's a big stretch. I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist. The article also seems to be leaning into the current "trans panic" - pretty typical for the NYP.
- romaaeterna 2y agoI also dislike Right/Left categorizations. Most people don't even know the history of the terms and their roots in the French Revolution. Though the "Cult of Reason" established then certainly had the Left categorization at the time. But is the trans element not a major part of this cult? It seemed to be from the linked story in the top link. But if there is something incorrect there, or false in the NYP reporting, you should point it out. If it is a major element of this cult, then far from complaining about NYP, I would complain about any news organization leaving it out of its reporting.
- brokensegue 2y agoI don't think being trans is part of their beliefs or a requirement to be a member
- romaaeterna 2y agoThat zizians.info page makes several claims about their beliefs in regards to being trans, and both articles make claims about the number of trans people involved in the events described that, if true, seem to indicate large trans representation. But all of this may be false information. I would like to hear specifics, if so.
- meowface 2y agoThere is, but, for example, the cult member accused of murdering the landlord isn't trans. So transness isn't intrinsic to the cult, and the violence also isn't related to trying to fight for/against anything to do with being trans. (These aren't actually ideologically motivated killings, oddly enough: in practice they just murder people who slight them, even if "it is imperative and the greatest good that you murder people who slight you" is a key component of their decision-theoretic extremism ideology. Or at least that's how I interpret it.)
- romaaeterna 2y agoAre the reports true that the two who first attacked the landlord were trans? And the two in the border patrol attack were trans? And the suspect in the Zajko killings is trans? And the leader of the cult is trans? And also that the person whom you mention, who was accused of the landlord killing, was in fact married to one of the trans persons above?
- Trasmatta 2y ago[flagged]
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- dang 2y agoYou've crossed into slurring a general class of people, which is not allowed here. We ban accounts that do that, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- romaaeterna 2y agoIf there was not a disproportionate number of trans people involved in these murders, then I hope that you can point to the specific elements of the story that were wrong.
- TylerE 2y agoIf 80% of them happened to have blonde hair would you be talking down blonde people in this thread, too? Correlation is literally not causation.
- slooonz 2y ago> I don't think most rationalists would consider themselves leftist Yes they do. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5FqX6XBJlfOShMd3UKmQTKiXjM92p3dtyybtlwt4q3r3lDw/viewanalytics https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5FqX6XBJlfOShMd3U...
- Trasmatta 2y ago[flagged]
- postepowanieadm 2y agoDoes it really matter? Nazis called themselves socialists.
- baobabKoodaa 2y agono true scotsman
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- keybored 2y agoNorth Korea is a democratic people’s republic.
- keybored 2y agoI regret saying this as a joke since I don’t know enough about North Korea. Even to make jokes about it.
- affinepplan 2y agoliberal is not leftist
- dmix 2y agoIt says liberal “as in US Democratic Party” at 35% and social democrat at 2nd with 29% and Marxist at what looks like 2-3% so an easy majority (for this survey at least) the rest are libertarian, then Neo reactionary, and alt right in descending order
- wisty 2y agoLeft libertarian would be more likely, I think?
- mitthrowaway2 2y agoMany rationalists do consider themselves leftist. Many others do not. It's a big tent and anyone can wander in.
- alvah 2y agoWho is making a statement about "most rationalists" here? The claim is about a trans vegan murder cult, which doesn't appear to be a natural member of the right side of the political spectrum.
- zozbot234 2y agoThe cult does seem to target people who identify as trans - OP has some discussion of this. Not sure if that justifies calling it a "radical vegan trans cult" though. Trans folks seem to be overrepresented in rationalist communities generally, at least on the West Coast - but there may be all sorts of valid reasons for that.
- none_to_remain 2y agoNone of the murder victims I'm aware of were transgender?
- billjings 2y agoTarget as in, target for recruitment into the group. The targets for their victims seem chosen...as retaliation to defend their understanding of their own interests.
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- stefantalpalaru 2y ago[dead]
- Aurornis 2y ago> Is the appellation in the headline, "radical vegan trans cult," a true description? For this small group, yes. Their leader believes in Nuremberg-style trials for people who eat meat. If you want to go down the rabbit hole, it gets much weirder: https://zizians.info/ https://zizians.info/