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Even if they managed to find 100% savings in the spending they are targeting, they will not make a dent in the budget. Doing that and cutting all military spend

Even if they managed to find 100% savings in the spending they are targeting, they will not make a dent in the budget. Doing that and cutting all military spending would not balance the budget. Most Federal discretional spending is on Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. I'm all for cutting this, reducing benefits to current recipients to bring spending to sustainable levels, but to date I haven't found a politician to vote for who endorsed this position.

silisili 2y ago
I'm sure I've already made tons of not so friendlies in this thread, why not more. Why not just cut and run on social security? I've paid in my whole life and probably won't even take a cent from it. We realize it's a mostly unsustainable ponzi scheme dependent on huge population growth that nobody wants, why not just tell us 'sorry, your money is gone, we're ending the program'? Single payer I'm all for. Just in case you thought I was picking a side :).
- Volundr 2y ago
  > Why not just cut and run on social security? There's no appetite for this for the exact same reason social security was created in the first place. Without it you have a bunch of senior citizens out on the street unable to work and unable to afford basic necessities. For all the gnashing of teeth on "entitlement spending" the reality without it is pretty unpalatable to most.
neuronexmachina 2y ago
Prediction: The US deficit will be higher in 2028 than in 2024.
- matwood 2y ago
  As long as we fire all the people who measure these things, they won't exist. /s
cycomanic 2y ago
> Even if they managed to find 100% savings in the spending they are targeting, they will not make a dent in the budget. Doing that and cutting all military spending would not balance the budget. Most Federal discretional spending is on Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. How is social security discretion spending? It's tied to what has put into it, i.e. much more like a trust fund as I understand it.
- buddavis_ 2y ago
  The average SS recipient receives more in benefits than they contributed. (including reasonable interest). It is a tax, and an income redistribution program. For the record, I agree with the overall program. Old people need some support from society.
  - throw__away7391 2y ago
    > The average SS recipient receives more in benefits than they contributed. (including reasonable interest). This is unsustainable. The people running it know and have known this for decades, instead of fixing it they have been at work finely tuning everything to ensure that the boomers receive full benefits just before major overhauls are require, significant additional taxes and/or reductions in benefits are 100% a guarantee at this point, but they continue spending and even increasing benefits all the while. A quarter century ago, Al Gore suggested putting a small amount of money aside to fund the program in the future and everyone laughed at him, on both the left and right. Instead they cut themselves stimulus checks and went to the mall, kicking off a decade of indulgence that ended with the 2008 global financial crisis while spending 7 trillion pounding sand in Iraq and Afghanistan with no particular goal and little to nothing to show for it. This generation has acted like overgrown children their entire adult lives, they've spent and borrowed and kicked every can in sight down the road. They rigged this program along with every other as another massive transfer of wealth from the generations with the least money to the one with the most. As a final FU to future generations, they are as we speak in the process of dismantling the global world order that has protected and enriched them for their entire lives. I hope in the near future they will at last see some retribution for all of this.

silisili 2y ago

I'm sure I've already made tons of not so friendlies in this thread, why not more. Why not just cut and run on social security? I've paid in my whole life and probably won't even take a cent from it. We realize it's a mostly unsustainable ponzi scheme dependent on huge population growth that nobody wants, why not just tell us 'sorry, your money is gone, we're ending the program'? Single payer I'm all for. Just in case you thought I was picking a side :).

Volundr 2y ago
> Why not just cut and run on social security? There's no appetite for this for the exact same reason social security was created in the first place. Without it you have a bunch of senior citizens out on the street unable to work and unable to afford basic necessities. For all the gnashing of teeth on "entitlement spending" the reality without it is pretty unpalatable to most.

neuronexmachina 2y ago

Prediction: The US deficit will be higher in 2028 than in 2024.

matwood 2y ago
As long as we fire all the people who measure these things, they won't exist. /s

cycomanic 2y ago

> Even if they managed to find 100% savings in the spending they are targeting, they will not make a dent in the budget. Doing that and cutting all military spending would not balance the budget. Most Federal discretional spending is on Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. How is social security discretion spending? It's tied to what has put into it, i.e. much more like a trust fund as I understand it.

buddavis_ 2y ago
The average SS recipient receives more in benefits than they contributed. (including reasonable interest). It is a tax, and an income redistribution program. For the record, I agree with the overall program. Old people need some support from society.
- throw__away7391 2y ago
  > The average SS recipient receives more in benefits than they contributed. (including reasonable interest). This is unsustainable. The people running it know and have known this for decades, instead of fixing it they have been at work finely tuning everything to ensure that the boomers receive full benefits just before major overhauls are require, significant additional taxes and/or reductions in benefits are 100% a guarantee at this point, but they continue spending and even increasing benefits all the while. A quarter century ago, Al Gore suggested putting a small amount of money aside to fund the program in the future and everyone laughed at him, on both the left and right. Instead they cut themselves stimulus checks and went to the mall, kicking off a decade of indulgence that ended with the 2008 global financial crisis while spending 7 trillion pounding sand in Iraq and Afghanistan with no particular goal and little to nothing to show for it. This generation has acted like overgrown children their entire adult lives, they've spent and borrowed and kicked every can in sight down the road. They rigged this program along with every other as another massive transfer of wealth from the generations with the least money to the one with the most. As a final FU to future generations, they are as we speak in the process of dismantling the global world order that has protected and enriched them for their entire lives. I hope in the near future they will at last see some retribution for all of this.