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but with sledgehammer comes the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I mean, i understand the need to remove unnecessary costs like DEI etc, but a

by chii 2y ago

but with sledgehammer comes the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I mean, i understand the need to remove unnecessary costs like DEI etc, but actual productive output like science fundings etc are important in nation building. What i dont like is how trump is looking to (or is being manipulated to) move a lot of public spending into private entities. For example, the recent ai stargate announcements. How is the public spending meant to benefit all americans, rather than the few that own those companies?

ReptileMan 2y ago
> but actual productive output like science fundings etc are important in nation building. But it seems to me that DEI has so pervasively infiltrated the academy and scientific community, that excising them is extremely hard without drastic measures. There was an open letter in 2020 summer from a lot of "prominent scientists" that claimed that suddenly social distancing didn't matter because BLM. I think that any such people that are viewing the world trough this lenses shouldn't touch federal money on account of being idiotically political or egregiously stupid.
- neuronexmachina 2y ago
  > There was an open letter in 2020 summer from a lot of "prominent scientists" that claimed that suddenly social distancing didn't matter because BLM. If you're referring to this letter, that characterization is pretty much the opposite of what it says: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-lette...
  - ReptileMan 2y ago
    >While everyone is concerned about the risk of Covid, there are risks with just being black in this country that almost outweigh that sometimes. Does it? >White supremacy is a lethal public health issue that predates and contributes to COVID-19. >However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. Do you think that anyone that has put his name under such idiotic sentence deserves state money in any form - except payments under ADA?
    - defrost 2y ago
      > Does it? Sure .. All the risks of being black in the USofA and the additional risk of being even more likely to contract COVID while black. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/11/22-0072_article#:~:text=The%20percentage%20with%20more%20exposure,reported%20differences%20were%20statistically%20significant. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/11/22-0072_article#:~:t...
blackqueeriroh 2y ago
> I mean, i understand the need to remove unnecessary costs like DEI etc, but actual productive output like science fundings etc are important in nation building. So you don’t believe there should be an attempt to reckon with the structural forces in play since the beginning of the country that have systematically lowered the wealth for Black Americans, trans and queer Americans, disabled Americans, neurodiverse Americans, and immigrant Americans?
johnnyanmac 2y ago
>What i dont like is how trump is looking to (or is being manipulated to) move a lot of public spending into private entities. Hey you finally found the Bailey. The DEI arguments were just to win your vote. Aka the Motte. He woulda said he'd fix whatever you hated to get your vote. Now we gave him the keys to the castle and gets what he's always wanted. What the richest people who donated to him always wanted.

by chii 2y ago

ReptileMan 2y ago

> but actual productive output like science fundings etc are important in nation building. But it seems to me that DEI has so pervasively infiltrated the academy and scientific community, that excising them is extremely hard without drastic measures. There was an open letter in 2020 summer from a lot of "prominent scientists" that claimed that suddenly social distancing didn't matter because BLM. I think that any such people that are viewing the world trough this lenses shouldn't touch federal money on account of being idiotically political or egregiously stupid.

neuronexmachina 2y ago
> There was an open letter in 2020 summer from a lot of "prominent scientists" that claimed that suddenly social distancing didn't matter because BLM. If you're referring to this letter, that characterization is pretty much the opposite of what it says: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-lette...
- ReptileMan 2y ago
  >While everyone is concerned about the risk of Covid, there are risks with just being black in this country that almost outweigh that sometimes. Does it? >White supremacy is a lethal public health issue that predates and contributes to COVID-19. >However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. Do you think that anyone that has put his name under such idiotic sentence deserves state money in any form - except payments under ADA?
  - defrost 2y ago
    > Does it? Sure .. All the risks of being black in the USofA and the additional risk of being even more likely to contract COVID while black. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/11/22-0072_article#:~:text=The%20percentage%20with%20more%20exposure,reported%20differences%20were%20statistically%20significant. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/28/11/22-0072_article#:~:t...

blackqueeriroh 2y ago

> I mean, i understand the need to remove unnecessary costs like DEI etc, but actual productive output like science fundings etc are important in nation building. So you don’t believe there should be an attempt to reckon with the structural forces in play since the beginning of the country that have systematically lowered the wealth for Black Americans, trans and queer Americans, disabled Americans, neurodiverse Americans, and immigrant Americans?

johnnyanmac 2y ago

>What i dont like is how trump is looking to (or is being manipulated to) move a lot of public spending into private entities. Hey you finally found the Bailey. The DEI arguments were just to win your vote. Aka the Motte. He woulda said he'd fix whatever you hated to get your vote. Now we gave him the keys to the castle and gets what he's always wanted. What the richest people who donated to him always wanted.