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> There is no consensus because there is very little left to strive for in the eyes of the average citizen. I heavily agree on this, people have nothing to loo

> There is no consensus because there is very little left to strive for in the eyes of the average citizen. I heavily agree on this, people have nothing to look forward to, and nothing to be proud of. In fact, the state of the US is more embarrassing than anything. Every other country has free healthcare, high speed rail, free education etc... On top of that, there is no upwards social mobility. I know a lot of people my age are literally gambling everything on crypto and hustle culture because they have no future prospects or hope. > This is why we can’t have single payer healthcare, because our populations are too busy fighting for their radicalized ideas. but I have to say that this is beyond naive. A single payer healthcare system is broadly popular, it has had the majority of support for decades at this point. We can't have it because it goes against the profit motive of the people running that industry. We already pay more than we would in taxpayer money than we would if healthcare was free across the board. Its as simple as that. Blatant corruption. And this circles back to the last point, people see this, they realize this... and they don't believe that they can change this. This is exactly why, across the world, Luigi Mangione is hailed as a Saint. Thats exactly why the response was, "I get it." and people should try to examine that more. Its honestly not very complicated. Fox News and such, are the only ones providing answers and giving people a place to channel this anger. But it is at the expense of marginalized groups, and truthfully, everyone. The Neo-Liberal order has failed everyone, and the Democrats have nothing to offer. I mean, we have corruption and oligarchs controlling the government. People feel hopeless, and powerless.

chanakya 2y ago
> People feel hopeless, and powerless. Some people, I guess. Looks like more than half the people approve of what he's doing. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/30/us/politics/trump-approval-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/30/us/politics/trump-approva...
- blackqueeriroh 2y ago
  You know that they don’t actually poll all citizens, right?
- sweeter 2y ago
  I mean that's not really what that says. There's multiple polls or multiple different groups ranging from Rich liberals to Hardline conservatives of which it's pretty much split down the middle plus or minus 5%. And even then, I'd say that this is not really a good marker for like the general sentiment of the entirety of the population. But it's likely somewhat close as things currently stand, but you have to also recognize the current political climate, as well as that there has been no real counter narrative against trump's framing of politics. Democrats have done a horrible job of presenting any counter narrative whatsoever. And on top of that, a lot of people don't realise yet what these things are going to entail. I mean of course rich people want to downsize the government of course and of course they oppose tariffs. It's completely expected that trump supporters are going to be supportive of mass deportation. Boom my projection is that once people see how violent and cruel this is that a lot of them are going to be like. That's not what I wanted that I didn't know was going to be like this yada yada yada and quickly realise how a horrifying and stupid this is.
righthand 2y ago
The blatant corruption keeps people putting healthcare at priority 2 (or 10 really) by making them believe immigrants are coming for their sovereignty. I disagree that people feel powerless to get healthcare, they are distracted. If you look at either party it is the one singular commonality between the two. Really it should be the flag ship of a 3rd party with the radicalized ideas second.
worldsayshi 2y ago
I do think you can change the corruption situation though, if that became the major topic of discussion. I liked this plan, although the presentation doesn't feel bipartisan enough: https://youtu.be/TfQij4aQq1k?si=DQlWV0u-YmSKqTnn https://youtu.be/TfQij4aQq1k?si=DQlWV0u-YmSKqTnn

chanakya 2y ago

> People feel hopeless, and powerless. Some people, I guess. Looks like more than half the people approve of what he's doing. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/30/us/politics/trump-approval-polls.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/30/us/politics/trump-approva...

blackqueeriroh 2y ago
You know that they don’t actually poll all citizens, right?
sweeter 2y ago
I mean that's not really what that says. There's multiple polls or multiple different groups ranging from Rich liberals to Hardline conservatives of which it's pretty much split down the middle plus or minus 5%. And even then, I'd say that this is not really a good marker for like the general sentiment of the entirety of the population. But it's likely somewhat close as things currently stand, but you have to also recognize the current political climate, as well as that there has been no real counter narrative against trump's framing of politics. Democrats have done a horrible job of presenting any counter narrative whatsoever. And on top of that, a lot of people don't realise yet what these things are going to entail. I mean of course rich people want to downsize the government of course and of course they oppose tariffs. It's completely expected that trump supporters are going to be supportive of mass deportation. Boom my projection is that once people see how violent and cruel this is that a lot of them are going to be like. That's not what I wanted that I didn't know was going to be like this yada yada yada and quickly realise how a horrifying and stupid this is.

righthand 2y ago

The blatant corruption keeps people putting healthcare at priority 2 (or 10 really) by making them believe immigrants are coming for their sovereignty. I disagree that people feel powerless to get healthcare, they are distracted. If you look at either party it is the one singular commonality between the two. Really it should be the flag ship of a 3rd party with the radicalized ideas second.

worldsayshi 2y ago

I do think you can change the corruption situation though, if that became the major topic of discussion. I liked this plan, although the presentation doesn't feel bipartisan enough: https://youtu.be/TfQij4aQq1k?si=DQlWV0u-YmSKqTnn https://youtu.be/TfQij4aQq1k?si=DQlWV0u-YmSKqTnn