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Have you considered the possibility that your feedback is used to choose what type of response to give to you specifically in the future? I would not consider

Have you considered the possibility that your feedback is used to choose what type of response to give to you specifically in the future? I would not consider purposely giving inaccurate feedback for this reason alone.

isaacremuant 2y ago
Alternatively, I'll use the tool that is most user friendly and provides the most value for my money. Wasting time on an anti pattern is not value nor is it trying to outguess the way that selection mechanism is used.
MattDaEskimo 2y ago
I don't want a model that's customized to my preferences. My preferences and understanding changes all the time. I want a single source model that's grounded in base truth. I'll let the model know how to structure it in my prompt.
- szundi 2y ago
  Constang meh and fixing prompts to the right direction vs unable to escape the bubble
- kenjackson 2y ago
  You know there's no such as base truth here? You want to write something like this to start your prompts, "Respond in English, using standard capitalization and punctuation, following rules of grammar as written by Strunk & White, where numbers are represented using arabic numerals in base 10 notation...."???
  - AutistiCoder 2y ago
    actually, I might appreciate that. I like precision of language, so maybe just have a system prompt that says "use precise language (ex: no symbolism of any kind)"
- MattGaiser 2y ago
  A lot of preferences have nothing to do with any truth. Do you like code segments or full code? Do you like paragraphs or bullet points? Heck, do you want English or Japanaese?
- orbital-decay 2y ago
  What is base truth for e.g. creative writing?
francis_lewis 2y ago
I think my awareness that this may influence future responses has actually been detrimental to my response rate. The responses are often so similar that I can imagine preferring either in specific circumstances. While I’m sure that can be guided by the prompt, I’m often hesitant to click on a specific response as I can see the value of the other response in a different situation and I don’t want to bias the future responses. Maybe with more specific prompting this wouldn’t be such an issue, or maybe more of an understanding of how inter-chat personalisation is applied (maybe I’m missing some information on this too).
Der_Einzige 2y ago
Spotted the pissed off OpenAI RLHF engineer! Hahahahaha!

isaacremuant 2y ago

Alternatively, I'll use the tool that is most user friendly and provides the most value for my money. Wasting time on an anti pattern is not value nor is it trying to outguess the way that selection mechanism is used.

MattDaEskimo 2y ago

I don't want a model that's customized to my preferences. My preferences and understanding changes all the time. I want a single source model that's grounded in base truth. I'll let the model know how to structure it in my prompt.

szundi 2y ago
Constang meh and fixing prompts to the right direction vs unable to escape the bubble
kenjackson 2y ago
You know there's no such as base truth here? You want to write something like this to start your prompts, "Respond in English, using standard capitalization and punctuation, following rules of grammar as written by Strunk & White, where numbers are represented using arabic numerals in base 10 notation...."???
- AutistiCoder 2y ago
  actually, I might appreciate that. I like precision of language, so maybe just have a system prompt that says "use precise language (ex: no symbolism of any kind)"
MattGaiser 2y ago
A lot of preferences have nothing to do with any truth. Do you like code segments or full code? Do you like paragraphs or bullet points? Heck, do you want English or Japanaese?
orbital-decay 2y ago
What is base truth for e.g. creative writing?

francis_lewis 2y ago

I think my awareness that this may influence future responses has actually been detrimental to my response rate. The responses are often so similar that I can imagine preferring either in specific circumstances. While I’m sure that can be guided by the prompt, I’m often hesitant to click on a specific response as I can see the value of the other response in a different situation and I don’t want to bias the future responses. Maybe with more specific prompting this wouldn’t be such an issue, or maybe more of an understanding of how inter-chat personalisation is applied (maybe I’m missing some information on this too).

Der_Einzige 2y ago

Spotted the pissed off OpenAI RLHF engineer! Hahahahaha!