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This is definitely intentional. You can like Sama or dislike him, but he knows how to market a product. Maybe this is a bad call on his part, but it is a call.

thorum 2y ago
Not really. They’re successful because they created one of the most interesting products in human history, not because they have any idea how to brand it.
- marko-k 2y ago
  If that were the case, they’d be neck and neck with Anthropic and Claude. But ChatGPT has far more market share and name recognition, especially among normies. Branding clearly plays a huge role.
  - KeplerBoy 2y ago
    That's first mover advantage.
  - bobxmax 2y ago
    I think that has more to do with the multiple year head start and multiple tens of billions of dollars in funding advantage.
  - joshstrange 2y ago
    And you think that is due to their model naming?
  - cj 2y ago
    ChatGPT is still benefitting from first mover advantage. Which they’ve leveraged to get to the position they’re at today. Over time, competitors catch up and first mover advantage melts away. I wouldn’t attribute OpenAI’s success to any extremely smart marketing moves. I think a big part of their market share grab was simply going (and staying) viral for a long time. Manufacturing virality is notoriously difficult (and based on the usability and poor UI of ChatGPT early versions, it feels like they got lucky in a lot of ways)
  - jcheng 2y ago
    I prefer Anthropic's models but ChatGPT (the web interface) is far superior to Claude IMHO. Web search, long-term memory, and chat history sharing are hard to give up.
mrbungie 2y ago
That's like making a second reading and appealing to authority. The naming is bad. Other people already said it you can "google" stuff, you can "deepseek" something, but to "chatgpt" sounds weird. The model naming is even weirder, like, did they really avoid o2 because of oxigen?
- sumedh 2y ago
  > but to "chatgpt" sounds weird. People just say it differently, they say "ask chatgpt"
  - mrbungie 2y ago
    Obviously they do. That's the whole point.
  - gwd 2y ago
    I normally use Claude, but "Ask Claude", but unless it's someone who knows me well, I say "Ask ChatGPT", or it's just not as claer; and I don't think it's primarily due to popularity.
FridgeSeal 2y ago
I think it’s success in spite of branding, not because of it. This naming scheme is a dumpster fire. Every other comment is trying to untangle what the actual hierarchy of model performance is.

thorum 2y ago

Not really. They’re successful because they created one of the most interesting products in human history, not because they have any idea how to brand it.

marko-k 2y ago
If that were the case, they’d be neck and neck with Anthropic and Claude. But ChatGPT has far more market share and name recognition, especially among normies. Branding clearly plays a huge role.
- KeplerBoy 2y ago
  That's first mover advantage.
- bobxmax 2y ago
  I think that has more to do with the multiple year head start and multiple tens of billions of dollars in funding advantage.
- joshstrange 2y ago
  And you think that is due to their model naming?
- cj 2y ago
  ChatGPT is still benefitting from first mover advantage. Which they’ve leveraged to get to the position they’re at today. Over time, competitors catch up and first mover advantage melts away. I wouldn’t attribute OpenAI’s success to any extremely smart marketing moves. I think a big part of their market share grab was simply going (and staying) viral for a long time. Manufacturing virality is notoriously difficult (and based on the usability and poor UI of ChatGPT early versions, it feels like they got lucky in a lot of ways)
- jcheng 2y ago
  I prefer Anthropic's models but ChatGPT (the web interface) is far superior to Claude IMHO. Web search, long-term memory, and chat history sharing are hard to give up.

mrbungie 2y ago

That's like making a second reading and appealing to authority. The naming is bad. Other people already said it you can "google" stuff, you can "deepseek" something, but to "chatgpt" sounds weird. The model naming is even weirder, like, did they really avoid o2 because of oxigen?

sumedh 2y ago
> but to "chatgpt" sounds weird. People just say it differently, they say "ask chatgpt"
- mrbungie 2y ago
  Obviously they do. That's the whole point.
- gwd 2y ago
  I normally use Claude, but "Ask Claude", but unless it's someone who knows me well, I say "Ask ChatGPT", or it's just not as claer; and I don't think it's primarily due to popularity.

FridgeSeal 2y ago

I think it’s success in spite of branding, not because of it. This naming scheme is a dumpster fire. Every other comment is trying to untangle what the actual hierarchy of model performance is.