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Is there a word for "people largely agree with a thing when you don't mention its contentious name?" I look forward to its more patriotic replacement "All Ameri

by Spivak 2y ago

Is there a word for "people largely agree with a thing when you don't mention its contentious name?" I look forward to its more patriotic replacement "All Americans" where AA hiring practices involve not just hiring from those hippy liberal colleges and including disadvanta… err um hard working communities who have boots on the ground experience! Not just those ivory tower elites but people who didn't have access… err didn't get brainwashed by college professors pushing the liberal agenda!

amluto 2y ago
> disadvanta… err um hard working communities who have boots on the ground experience! You may jest, but this is a serious point. I think I would much rather be accommodated without comment or with respect than be accommodated as a “disadvantaged” person or a person suffering from “trauma”. On a somewhat related note, could you all please stop asking me to select my race out of a dropdown of boxes, none of which actually match how I think of myself, and also whether, if I said “white” I actually meant “Hispanic”? This is (a) generally none of your business, (b) kind of offensive, (c) thoroughly fails to capture the racial/ethnic identity of a whole lot of people, making it rather less useful even for statistical purposes than you might like to imagine. (Did whoever made this list realize that mixed people exist and are actually very very common? And that people who are quite unmixed but don’t fit any of the categories well are also common. Or that, especially for medical genetic purposes, there are all manner of useful questions one could ask about someone’s ancestry, of which basically none are captured by the list?)
- dcrazy 2y ago
  The choices for race, sex, etc. self-identification are usually mandated by the government service that is requesting the data. For example, the EEOC defines [1] the racial categories for the form your employer asks you to fill out. Your employer is required to report the demographics of its employees using the prescribed categories. It is preferred that the employee volunteers this information themselves, but they cannot provide an arbitrary self-description. [1]: https://eeocdata.org/pdfs/2023_EEO_1_Component_1_Instruction_Booklet.pdf#page12 https://eeocdata.org/pdfs/2023_EEO_1_Component_1_Instruction...
  - amluto 2y ago
    The categories seem to here: https://eeocdata.org/pdfs/DEFINITIONS_OF_RACE_AND_ETHNICITY_CATEGORIES.pdf https://eeocdata.org/pdfs/DEFINITIONS_OF_RACE_AND_ETHNICITY_... Sigh. So many things are confused and conflated in those definitions.

by Spivak 2y ago

amluto 2y ago

> disadvanta… err um hard working communities who have boots on the ground experience! You may jest, but this is a serious point. I think I would much rather be accommodated without comment or with respect than be accommodated as a “disadvantaged” person or a person suffering from “trauma”. On a somewhat related note, could you all please stop asking me to select my race out of a dropdown of boxes, none of which actually match how I think of myself, and also whether, if I said “white” I actually meant “Hispanic”? This is (a) generally none of your business, (b) kind of offensive, (c) thoroughly fails to capture the racial/ethnic identity of a whole lot of people, making it rather less useful even for statistical purposes than you might like to imagine. (Did whoever made this list realize that mixed people exist and are actually very very common? And that people who are quite unmixed but don’t fit any of the categories well are also common. Or that, especially for medical genetic purposes, there are all manner of useful questions one could ask about someone’s ancestry, of which basically none are captured by the list?)

dcrazy 2y ago
The choices for race, sex, etc. self-identification are usually mandated by the government service that is requesting the data. For example, the EEOC defines [1] the racial categories for the form your employer asks you to fill out. Your employer is required to report the demographics of its employees using the prescribed categories. It is preferred that the employee volunteers this information themselves, but they cannot provide an arbitrary self-description. [1]: https://eeocdata.org/pdfs/2023_EEO_1_Component_1_Instruction_Booklet.pdf#page12 https://eeocdata.org/pdfs/2023_EEO_1_Component_1_Instruction...
- amluto 2y ago
  The categories seem to here: https://eeocdata.org/pdfs/DEFINITIONS_OF_RACE_AND_ETHNICITY_CATEGORIES.pdf https://eeocdata.org/pdfs/DEFINITIONS_OF_RACE_AND_ETHNICITY_... Sigh. So many things are confused and conflated in those definitions.