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I was a controller at DCA for 8 years and this is a normal operation with Helicopters using the Helicopter routes. The problem I see is the controller asked th
by hammock 2y ago
I was a controller at DCA for 8 years and this is a normal
operation with Helicopters using the Helicopter routes.
The problem I see is the controller asked the Helicopter if they had the CRJ in sight, but he never said WHERE HE WAS OR WHAT HE WAS DOING! The controller should
have told the Helicopter that the CRJ was circling to RWY 33. The helicopter said he had him in sight, but he really had the Jet in sight that was landing on RWY 1.
Had the controller told him: Traffic ahead and to your left landing runway 33 is a CRJ report him in sight, then the helicopter crew would have LOOKED to their left and saw him. They unfortunately were looking straight ahead at a different plane.
The controller is going to take a major blame for this one unfortunately for not being more detailed. Those Helicopters literally fly directly in the path of those RWY 33 arrivals so as a controller you have to be EXACT!!!!
Another problem I see is the expectation bias. As controllers in that scenario, we want to hear the Helicopter
say "traffic in sight and we will maintain Visual Separation. These Helicopter Pilots know we need to hear them say that (it's required), so they will say this just because even though they might not really have the aircraft in sight. They are just saying what we want to hear. If they don't, then we stop their forward progress or make them turn out. Comment from instagram
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- deadbabe 2y agoThe controller will not take blame. It is a blameless culture where mistakes are expected and analyzed and learned from.
- hammock 2y agoAgree with this
- bayarearefugee 2y ago[flagged]
- recursive 2y agoWhere did that come from? There are some things in life that don't revolve around identity politics, and I'd venture to say, ATC is one of them.
- deeg 2y agoParent is exactly right. There's already a scramble to pin the blame and some in the GOP are looking for DEI: https://bsky.app/profile/andylevy.net/post/3lgxsd35fhs2i https://bsky.app/profile/andylevy.net/post/3lgxsd35fhs2i
- bayarearefugee 2y ago> There are some things in life that don't revolve around identity politics Not anymore.
- ToucanLoucan 2y agoSimply wild coming from the person who introduced it where it was not being discussed. If this is true, it's because you and people like you are inserting it in otherwise innocuous, productive discussions. Have you considered not doing that?
- chowchowchow 2y agoare you serious? https://www.fox5dc.com/news/trump-blames-dei-dc-plane-crash https://www.fox5dc.com/news/trump-blames-dei-dc-plane-crash
- axus 2y agoOn "Truth Social" last night, Donald Trump was explicitly questioning the actions of the ATC. And during this morning's press briefing, he blamed "the crash on Barack Obama, Joe Biden, former Transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg, DEI and people with disabilities." I'm waiting for the transcript on that one.
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- abecedarius 2y agoIf you're quoting someone else, please say so at the top of the comment instead leading with "I was a controller" and burying the attribution at the end of a paragraph.
- apical_dendrite 2y ago> The problem I see is the controller asked the Helicopter if they had the CRJ in sight, but he never said WHERE HE WAS OR WHAT HE WAS DOING! The controller should have told the Helicopter that the CRJ was circling to RWY 33. The helicopter said he had him in sight, but he really had the Jet in sight that was landing on RWY 1. I think you're only listening to a selected part of the recording. > Tower: "PAT25 traffic just south of (unclear) bridge is a CRJ at 1,200ft turning for Runway 33" > PAT25: PAT25 has the Traffic in sight, request visual separation > Tower: Visual separation approved. Then a minute later he asks again if PAT25 has the CRJ in sight, which I think is what you're referring to.
- gniv 2y agoYes, exactly. You can hear it in this transcribed video, around 1:35: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiOybe-NJHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiOybe-NJHk
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