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Agreed that there is a lot of interaction between game design and learning. It is difficult, as I think you can learn a lot of conflicting lessons depending on

by taeric 2y ago

Agreed that there is a lot of interaction between game design and learning. It is difficult, as I think you can learn a lot of conflicting lessons depending on you look at things. The largest lesson for me, at the moment, is that people love complaining about "rote memorization" but throw out the baby with the bath water, as it were. Memory is a large part of learning, such that trying to do anything that doesn't lean on it feels wrong. And I don't mean just recall memory. Learning to juggle is one that showed me that memory can be a full body activity. Same for running/cycling. And getting good at things means doing it a lot. Yes, "deliberate practice" is different than "rote practice." But they look an awful lot like each other. And I don't think anyone has a good trick for how to skip straight to deliberate.

sitkack 2y ago
I agree on memorization, it is very important esp in a complex domain where you have many concepts that are close and mislabeled, you cannot redetermine their local ordering every single time, at some point you have to remember things. I think because our tests have generally sucked, and people like easy answers to problems, that leaning really hard on rote practice seemed like an easy win. It is necessary, but it is just a small part of a greater understanding. My philosophy is the following. Memorization enables fast recall and composition of concepts, which encourages one to be in the flow state, which is very rewarding. But overfitting by too much memorization prevents creative exploration. My kid doesn't have instant recall for all the products through 12x12, but they can fill in the missing pieces pretty quickly. This is improving, but I also showed them how to round and make back of the envelope approximations, so they aren't calculating the number of eggs needed in a recipe to 3 places of accuracy. I think the memorization portion of education should see the task of memorizing certain facts as a toolbox, and that with that toolbox you will be able to fluidly work on these kinds of problems. Without out, you will be knee deep in mud. Damn it is fun to learn a new skill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMW7gsuFb0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMW7gsuFb0

by taeric 2y ago

sitkack 2y ago

I agree on memorization, it is very important esp in a complex domain where you have many concepts that are close and mislabeled, you cannot redetermine their local ordering every single time, at some point you have to remember things. I think because our tests have generally sucked, and people like easy answers to problems, that leaning really hard on rote practice seemed like an easy win. It is necessary, but it is just a small part of a greater understanding. My philosophy is the following. Memorization enables fast recall and composition of concepts, which encourages one to be in the flow state, which is very rewarding. But overfitting by too much memorization prevents creative exploration. My kid doesn't have instant recall for all the products through 12x12, but they can fill in the missing pieces pretty quickly. This is improving, but I also showed them how to round and make back of the envelope approximations, so they aren't calculating the number of eggs needed in a recipe to 3 places of accuracy. I think the memorization portion of education should see the task of memorizing certain facts as a toolbox, and that with that toolbox you will be able to fluidly work on these kinds of problems. Without out, you will be knee deep in mud. Damn it is fun to learn a new skill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMW7gsuFb0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMW7gsuFb0