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This is hardly TDS. Elon made his own 'gestures' then went to an AfD rally to clarify his position with a bullhorn in case some didn't hear the dog whistle.

newsclues 2y ago
Critique the technology please. Leave the personalities out of it. Hatred of Elon so intense it impairs peoples judgement. This is exactly that.
- tchock23 2y ago
  Earlier you posted about TDS. You’re the one that made this thread political and not about technology.
  - philistine 2y ago
    To them, it's not political if it's hardcore conservatism.
- skyyler 2y ago
  Being uneasy about using products and services from a political extremist is a rational and normal position. Calling people that you disagree with deranged or impaired is hardly "leaving personalities out of it". Rhetorical games like that are not helpful or beneficial to the discussion.
kurisufag 2y ago
if the implication is that SpaceX partnerships are undesirable because of elon's alleged personal politics... tim cook is an active, public homosexual. would it make sense to call this "SpaceX getting into bed with the gays"?
- junon 2y ago
  The gays didn't murder millions of jews.
  - amazingamazing 2y ago
    tbf neither did elon
    - junon 2y ago
      Pretty sure I don't need to explain how your comment misses the point entirely.
  - kurisufag 2y ago
    i don't really think that's a fair way to answer my question. the property "associated to the concept of jew-murder" doesn't automatically make judging a technical company by the alleged beliefs of its operator sensical. once again, if someone were to state some ground for dislike of gay folks (e.g. calling it a cognitihazard) it would still not make sense to criticize the company they belong to, nor companies that associate with theirs when the subject is an unrelated technical feat.
    - junon 2y ago
      What doesn't make sense is likening gays and Nazis to somehow prove a ridiculous apologist point to begin with.
      - kurisufag 2y ago
        i'm "likening gays and Nazis" only in the sense that they're both adjectives. i chose the example of homosexuality because - tim cook is gay, and we're talking about Apple - it nicely politically parallels criticizing association with SpaceX based on the alleged proclivities of Elon Musk but the post could just as easily have been about his favorite shirt color, to reduced rhetorical but identical logical effect. your stance only makes sense if you think "SpaceX is getting into bed with the gays" /isn't/ a ridiculous thing to say, and is acceptable because being gay is good and being a nazi isn't.
RandomBacon 2y ago
‎"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"- Mark Twain The pictures and video I saw of Elon in the news look nothing like the salutes in documentaries, TV shows, and movies. I did see one picture of Kamala making the same gesture as Elon though. There's a mind-virus infecting people. It reminds me of when the front page of reddit was about Trump pooping his pants which didn't happen, but... people want to believe what they want to believe. I don't care what "side" of politics people are on, I hate it when either side doesn't act in good faith. (The front page of reddit is constantly politics now, it's no longer interesting, so I no longer waste my time there.)
- notachatbot123 2y ago
  > I did see one picture of Kamala making the same gesture as Elon though. A picture lacks context. And if that is the one which I think it is, it is clearly an utterly different gesture due to the context. Misrepresenting that is not acting in good faith. He often does not look normal. He gave a nazi salute to the USA flag. He saluted once to the crowd, then turned around and saluted to the flag. Sadly many people have not seen the full video.
  - RandomBacon 2y ago
    > He often does not look normal. Nor does he talk "normally", so that's why I don't put much faith in the assumption that he was thinking that he was doing a Nazi salute.
    - notachatbot123 2y ago
      Have you seen what he posts on his social media accounts? It is full of fascist, racist, conspiracy content. It is almost certain that he knows how a Nazi salute looks like and that it was two of them.
      - XajniN 2y ago
        Conspiracy yes, but fascist or racist never.

newsclues 2y ago

Critique the technology please. Leave the personalities out of it. Hatred of Elon so intense it impairs peoples judgement. This is exactly that.

tchock23 2y ago
Earlier you posted about TDS. You’re the one that made this thread political and not about technology.
- philistine 2y ago
  To them, it's not political if it's hardcore conservatism.
skyyler 2y ago
Being uneasy about using products and services from a political extremist is a rational and normal position. Calling people that you disagree with deranged or impaired is hardly "leaving personalities out of it". Rhetorical games like that are not helpful or beneficial to the discussion.

kurisufag 2y ago

if the implication is that SpaceX partnerships are undesirable because of elon's alleged personal politics... tim cook is an active, public homosexual. would it make sense to call this "SpaceX getting into bed with the gays"?

junon 2y ago
The gays didn't murder millions of jews.
- amazingamazing 2y ago
  tbf neither did elon
  - junon 2y ago
    Pretty sure I don't need to explain how your comment misses the point entirely.
- kurisufag 2y ago
  i don't really think that's a fair way to answer my question. the property "associated to the concept of jew-murder" doesn't automatically make judging a technical company by the alleged beliefs of its operator sensical. once again, if someone were to state some ground for dislike of gay folks (e.g. calling it a cognitihazard) it would still not make sense to criticize the company they belong to, nor companies that associate with theirs when the subject is an unrelated technical feat.
  - junon 2y ago
    What doesn't make sense is likening gays and Nazis to somehow prove a ridiculous apologist point to begin with.
    - kurisufag 2y ago
      i'm "likening gays and Nazis" only in the sense that they're both adjectives. i chose the example of homosexuality because - tim cook is gay, and we're talking about Apple - it nicely politically parallels criticizing association with SpaceX based on the alleged proclivities of Elon Musk but the post could just as easily have been about his favorite shirt color, to reduced rhetorical but identical logical effect. your stance only makes sense if you think "SpaceX is getting into bed with the gays" /isn't/ a ridiculous thing to say, and is acceptable because being gay is good and being a nazi isn't.

RandomBacon 2y ago

‎"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"- Mark Twain The pictures and video I saw of Elon in the news look nothing like the salutes in documentaries, TV shows, and movies. I did see one picture of Kamala making the same gesture as Elon though. There's a mind-virus infecting people. It reminds me of when the front page of reddit was about Trump pooping his pants which didn't happen, but... people want to believe what they want to believe. I don't care what "side" of politics people are on, I hate it when either side doesn't act in good faith. (The front page of reddit is constantly politics now, it's no longer interesting, so I no longer waste my time there.)

notachatbot123 2y ago
> I did see one picture of Kamala making the same gesture as Elon though. A picture lacks context. And if that is the one which I think it is, it is clearly an utterly different gesture due to the context. Misrepresenting that is not acting in good faith. He often does not look normal. He gave a nazi salute to the USA flag. He saluted once to the crowd, then turned around and saluted to the flag. Sadly many people have not seen the full video.
- RandomBacon 2y ago
  > He often does not look normal. Nor does he talk "normally", so that's why I don't put much faith in the assumption that he was thinking that he was doing a Nazi salute.
  - notachatbot123 2y ago
    Have you seen what he posts on his social media accounts? It is full of fascist, racist, conspiracy content. It is almost certain that he knows how a Nazi salute looks like and that it was two of them.
    - XajniN 2y ago
      Conspiracy yes, but fascist or racist never.