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He was having 3kg of cheese per day. You saying that you were having 30kg (orders of magnitude) or more of cheese per day? I don't believe you.

causi 2y ago
Something is fishy. How is it physically possible to eat 12,000 calories of cheese per day plus hamburgers and lose weight? Somebody here is lying.
- bobmcnamara 2y ago
  You could give yourself rabbit starvation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity
  - tmerc 2y ago
    There should be enough fat in 12000 calories to avoid rabbit starvation. I did not consider the load of metabolizing all that protein and assumed the body would eliminate what it didn't need. They're might be something in protein toxicity here.
  - TypingOutBugs 2y ago
    This is from lean protein, add fat and your body is okay. You need either fat, carbs, or both. But you can’t just run on protein.
    - tmerc 2y ago
      I thought the same, but an open question for me (now) is what happens if you eat 3000 calories of protein and 3000 calories of fat or even carbohydrate. You have sufficient calories that your body doesn't need to metabolize protein for energy, but what happens to all the excess protein you consumed? I assumed the excess protein would be undigested, but can't back that up with a citation.
- ravenstine 2y ago
  If the ratio of fat to protein is high, and exogenous carbohydrates is relatively low in contrast, insulin levels should be closer to baseline (than a standard diet), as well as blood glucose, thereby keeping the Randle cycle minimized and so consumed energy gets used more by an on-demand basis or it gets dumped (literally). Part of the reason we poop is because, if our bodies literally used all of the mass we consume, we would either get too large in short order or spontaneously combust. I don't think someone here is lying. There may be some level of exaggeration, as in my experience a lot of cheese (particularly hard cheeses) can lead to extremely painful stools, but calories really aren't as meaningful as one might assume, especially when switching from a diet that directly supplies carbohydrate and one that doesn't. The human body needs a certain amount of glucose in the blood, but it can't get that from fats (at least as far as I am aware). It can obtain it from protein through a process called gluconeogenesis, but that's a relatively expensive process that requires more ATP than what ultimately results from it. The human body also treats that process in a more demand-driven manner than one where exogenous carbohydrates are consumed. This isn't an absolute, but it's generally less supply-driven. If protein can't be used for glucose or building tissue, it's more likely to become waste eventually. See "rabbit starvation": https://hekint.org/2022/01/26/rabbit-starvation-protein-poisoning/ https://hekint.org/2022/01/26/rabbit-starvation-protein-pois...
smolder 2y ago
Listen guys, I don't even drink water, just liquid cheese, and after my daily cheese cleanse (don't ask, too graphic,) I feel great. People always ask where I get this sharp cheddar cologne, but the scent comes naturally.
ravenstine 2y ago
No, that's not what I was saying. There have been times where I've eaten about that much cheese in a day, but I've been eating abundant amounts of butter and cheese for much longer than that gentleman and have yet to have encountered any hypercholesterolemic symptoms. I did an experiment for maybe ~4 months around 7 years ago where I ate pretty much nothing but cheese and butter, and I consumed substantial amounts of both. I wish I recorded it properly. It would have been in the multiple of pounds. But outside that experiment, it's not uncommon for me to eat more than a pound of cheese alone in a day. If it were a given that eating lots of fat leads to extremely high levels of cholesterol, my irises would look at bit strange by now at the very least. Now excuse me while I go eat about a pound of eggs and cheddar cheese for breakfast. (not a joke)
- imtringued 2y ago
  Ok, so you ate less cheese over a much shorter duration.
  - ravenstine 2y ago
    During that particular experiment. Without knowing the further details about that subject, I have been eating multiple pounds of highly fatty meat and cheese with the addition of butter daily for several years. It would be surprising to me that 2 to 3 pounds wouldn't show signs of mild hypercholesterolemia but 6 pounds a day would suddenly result in yellow nodules all over the place. It also doesn't make sense for this to happen to someone who isn't hypercholesterolemic based on how cholesterol is normally handled by the liver. It's a tightly regulated system.
- enjoytheview 2y ago
  How do you even eat 3 kilograms of cheese in one day?
  - hulitu 2y ago
    > How do you even eat 3 kilograms of cheese in one day? You slice it in small pieces. And add some wine. And a friend to call 911. /s
kragen 2y ago
That would be only a single order of magnitude. "Orders of magnitude", plural, implies at least two orders of magnitude, which would be at least 300kg of cheese per day. I think you are responding to someone who was not very concerned with whether what they were saying was true or false.
bobmcnamara 2y ago
You've found Gaston.

causi 2y ago

Something is fishy. How is it physically possible to eat 12,000 calories of cheese per day plus hamburgers and lose weight? Somebody here is lying.

bobmcnamara 2y ago
You could give yourself rabbit starvation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_toxicity
- tmerc 2y ago
  There should be enough fat in 12000 calories to avoid rabbit starvation. I did not consider the load of metabolizing all that protein and assumed the body would eliminate what it didn't need. They're might be something in protein toxicity here.
- TypingOutBugs 2y ago
  This is from lean protein, add fat and your body is okay. You need either fat, carbs, or both. But you can’t just run on protein.
  - tmerc 2y ago
    I thought the same, but an open question for me (now) is what happens if you eat 3000 calories of protein and 3000 calories of fat or even carbohydrate. You have sufficient calories that your body doesn't need to metabolize protein for energy, but what happens to all the excess protein you consumed? I assumed the excess protein would be undigested, but can't back that up with a citation.
ravenstine 2y ago
If the ratio of fat to protein is high, and exogenous carbohydrates is relatively low in contrast, insulin levels should be closer to baseline (than a standard diet), as well as blood glucose, thereby keeping the Randle cycle minimized and so consumed energy gets used more by an on-demand basis or it gets dumped (literally). Part of the reason we poop is because, if our bodies literally used all of the mass we consume, we would either get too large in short order or spontaneously combust. I don't think someone here is lying. There may be some level of exaggeration, as in my experience a lot of cheese (particularly hard cheeses) can lead to extremely painful stools, but calories really aren't as meaningful as one might assume, especially when switching from a diet that directly supplies carbohydrate and one that doesn't. The human body needs a certain amount of glucose in the blood, but it can't get that from fats (at least as far as I am aware). It can obtain it from protein through a process called gluconeogenesis, but that's a relatively expensive process that requires more ATP than what ultimately results from it. The human body also treats that process in a more demand-driven manner than one where exogenous carbohydrates are consumed. This isn't an absolute, but it's generally less supply-driven. If protein can't be used for glucose or building tissue, it's more likely to become waste eventually. See "rabbit starvation": https://hekint.org/2022/01/26/rabbit-starvation-protein-poisoning/ https://hekint.org/2022/01/26/rabbit-starvation-protein-pois...

smolder 2y ago

Listen guys, I don't even drink water, just liquid cheese, and after my daily cheese cleanse (don't ask, too graphic,) I feel great. People always ask where I get this sharp cheddar cologne, but the scent comes naturally.

ravenstine 2y ago

No, that's not what I was saying. There have been times where I've eaten about that much cheese in a day, but I've been eating abundant amounts of butter and cheese for much longer than that gentleman and have yet to have encountered any hypercholesterolemic symptoms. I did an experiment for maybe ~4 months around 7 years ago where I ate pretty much nothing but cheese and butter, and I consumed substantial amounts of both. I wish I recorded it properly. It would have been in the multiple of pounds. But outside that experiment, it's not uncommon for me to eat more than a pound of cheese alone in a day. If it were a given that eating lots of fat leads to extremely high levels of cholesterol, my irises would look at bit strange by now at the very least. Now excuse me while I go eat about a pound of eggs and cheddar cheese for breakfast. (not a joke)

imtringued 2y ago
Ok, so you ate less cheese over a much shorter duration.
- ravenstine 2y ago
  During that particular experiment. Without knowing the further details about that subject, I have been eating multiple pounds of highly fatty meat and cheese with the addition of butter daily for several years. It would be surprising to me that 2 to 3 pounds wouldn't show signs of mild hypercholesterolemia but 6 pounds a day would suddenly result in yellow nodules all over the place. It also doesn't make sense for this to happen to someone who isn't hypercholesterolemic based on how cholesterol is normally handled by the liver. It's a tightly regulated system.
enjoytheview 2y ago
How do you even eat 3 kilograms of cheese in one day?
- hulitu 2y ago
  > How do you even eat 3 kilograms of cheese in one day? You slice it in small pieces. And add some wine. And a friend to call 911. /s

kragen 2y ago

That would be only a single order of magnitude. "Orders of magnitude", plural, implies at least two orders of magnitude, which would be at least 300kg of cheese per day. I think you are responding to someone who was not very concerned with whether what they were saying was true or false.

bobmcnamara 2y ago

You've found Gaston.