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The president who achieved a cease fire in the first month, while the previous administration seemingly didn't try?

by sojournerc 2y ago

disgruntledphd2 2y ago
Also the same person who thinks all the Palestinians in Gaza should go to Jordan or Egypt.
- mandmandam 2y ago
  > “The Biden administration isn’t just giving a green light for ethnic cleansing — it’s bankrolling it,” said DAWN executive director Sarah Leah Whitson. “Gaslighting Americans into facilitating long-held Israeli plans to depopulate Gaza under the cover of ‘humanitarian aid’ is a cruel and grotesque hoax.” https://truthout.org/articles/rights-groups-say-bidens-israel-funding-request-would-finance-ethnic-cleansing/ https://truthout.org/articles/rights-groups-say-bidens-israe...
  - disgruntledphd2 2y ago
    That article is well over a year old, while Trump made his comments this week.
    - mandmandam 2y ago
      Correct. A year ago, Joe Biden supported ethnic cleansing, and now Trump supports it. ... And? What is the point you're trying to make here - that there's a 12 month statute of limitations on openly advocating for ethnic cleansing?
      - disgruntledphd2 2y ago
        > A year ago, Joe Biden supported ethnic cleansing, and now Trump supports it. How many residents of Gaza ended up in Egypt or Jordan? I rememeber that kerfuffle and basically Egypt and Jordan said absolutely not, and it didn't happen. Trump is a loudmouth, so it's unlikely that he'll follow through on this (fortunately) but personally I count the chances of him doing something like this much, much higher than I did for the other US party (both of whom's policy on Gaza/Palestine has been really bad).
paulryanrogers 2y ago
Previous administration tried hard. Sadly the Israeli PM decided he'd rather wait to see who won the next US election before seriously negotiating.
- mandmandam 2y ago
  > Previous administration tried hard. * Four UN ceasefire vetoes said otherwise. * Over 100 weapons shipments, including 2,000 lb unguided bombs, said otherwise. * Using the power of the government to smear peaceful student protesters spoke mountains. * Biden's repetition of debunked mass rape lies painted a pretty clear picture. * Constant gaslighting from Blinken, Patel and Miller re Israeli atrocities such as Hind Rajab or the Al Nasr babies said otherwise. * A firm commitment from Kamala that there would be no arms embargo, "no matter what", said otherwise with crystal clarity. I find the rewriting of history on this topic deeply disturbing.
- krapp 2y ago
  His own side was calling him "Genocide Joe" because of his enthusiasm for arming the Israelis. What are you talking about?
  - thiht 2y ago
    > *His own side* was calling him "Genocide Joe" Source on that?
    - krapp 2y ago
      Reddit? Twitter? Mastodon? Facebook? You can Google the term and find articles referencing it, and a quick search on any social media platform will show usage as well. You can even find it used on HN. You can buy "Genocide Joe" merch on Amazon. People called him that to his face[0]. [0] https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/genocide-joe-yelled-at-president-biden-during-campaign-event-in-virginia/5103727 https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/genocide-joe-yelle...
      - 2y ago

The president who achieved a cease fire in the first month, while the previous administration seemingly didn't try?

disgruntledphd2 2y ago

Also the same person who thinks all the Palestinians in Gaza should go to Jordan or Egypt.

mandmandam 2y ago
> “The Biden administration isn’t just giving a green light for ethnic cleansing — it’s bankrolling it,” said DAWN executive director Sarah Leah Whitson. “Gaslighting Americans into facilitating long-held Israeli plans to depopulate Gaza under the cover of ‘humanitarian aid’ is a cruel and grotesque hoax.” https://truthout.org/articles/rights-groups-say-bidens-israel-funding-request-would-finance-ethnic-cleansing/ https://truthout.org/articles/rights-groups-say-bidens-israe...
- disgruntledphd2 2y ago
  That article is well over a year old, while Trump made his comments this week.
  - mandmandam 2y ago
    Correct. A year ago, Joe Biden supported ethnic cleansing, and now Trump supports it. ... And? What is the point you're trying to make here - that there's a 12 month statute of limitations on openly advocating for ethnic cleansing?
    - disgruntledphd2 2y ago
      > A year ago, Joe Biden supported ethnic cleansing, and now Trump supports it. How many residents of Gaza ended up in Egypt or Jordan? I rememeber that kerfuffle and basically Egypt and Jordan said absolutely not, and it didn't happen. Trump is a loudmouth, so it's unlikely that he'll follow through on this (fortunately) but personally I count the chances of him doing something like this much, much higher than I did for the other US party (both of whom's policy on Gaza/Palestine has been really bad).

paulryanrogers 2y ago

Previous administration tried hard. Sadly the Israeli PM decided he'd rather wait to see who won the next US election before seriously negotiating.

mandmandam 2y ago
> Previous administration tried hard. * Four UN ceasefire vetoes said otherwise. * Over 100 weapons shipments, including 2,000 lb unguided bombs, said otherwise. * Using the power of the government to smear peaceful student protesters spoke mountains. * Biden's repetition of debunked mass rape lies painted a pretty clear picture. * Constant gaslighting from Blinken, Patel and Miller re Israeli atrocities such as Hind Rajab or the Al Nasr babies said otherwise. * A firm commitment from Kamala that there would be no arms embargo, "no matter what", said otherwise with crystal clarity. I find the rewriting of history on this topic deeply disturbing.
krapp 2y ago
His own side was calling him "Genocide Joe" because of his enthusiasm for arming the Israelis. What are you talking about?
- thiht 2y ago
  > *His own side* was calling him "Genocide Joe" Source on that?
  - krapp 2y ago
    Reddit? Twitter? Mastodon? Facebook? You can Google the term and find articles referencing it, and a quick search on any social media platform will show usage as well. You can even find it used on HN. You can buy "Genocide Joe" merch on Amazon. People called him that to his face[0]. [0] https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/genocide-joe-yelled-at-president-biden-during-campaign-event-in-virginia/5103727 https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/genocide-joe-yelle...
    - 2y ago