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Bari Weiss is center left by the way. Prior to her New York times stint, she was at wsj editorial pages where she was to the left of basically everyone. If you

by kyrra 2y ago

Bari Weiss is center left by the way. Prior to her New York times stint, she was at wsj editorial pages where she was to the left of basically everyone. If you read her actual political beliefs, she's more of a classical liberal.

PaulHoule 2y ago
The only person in this Wikipedia article to say she leans left is herself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss I'll agree with the criticism of "anti-fascism" and similar trends, but she has way too much enthusiasm Peter Thiel, Joe Rogan and such. I think The Economist should be center right thanks to its consistent insistence on free trade (founded to oppose the Corn Laws in 1843) or rather it is what the center right should be. Between the current Tories and Labor it is politically homeless in the current UK. I'd argue that its rating here https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist is a sign of the US political spectrum itself being hopelessly biased, but maybe any American taking an interest in a foreign publication is left leaning, but then I remembered https://www.allsides.com/news-source/spectator-world-media-bias https://www.allsides.com/news-source/spectator-world-media-b... Full disclosure: I read The Economist and The Guardian regularly and I'd say the latter really is lefty. I was introduced to The Economist by someone who was a conservative at the time but switched sides but has enough sense to not to talk about "anti-fascism" around me.
- alvah 2y ago
  I agree The Economist should be center right, however if you believe it to be anywhere right of center, that’s really just a sign of the center shifting far to the left IMO.
  - tim333 2y ago
    >just a sign of the center shifting far to the left IMO When I was a kid the right wanted free trade and and the left wanted everything controlled by government. Now the right like Trump are big on tariffs and the great leader making things great. I think they are the ones who have moved more. Although I'm not sure this fits well on a one dimensional left right scale.
    - alvah 2y ago
      The old left right scale doesn’t really describe modern politics very well, but I don’t think its hard to argue against the Democrats under Bill Clinton in the 1990s being much closer to the Republicans 20 years later than the current Democrats (i.e. the Overton window shifting far to the left). The same phenomenon can be observed in many Western countries, very recent reactionary shifts to the right notwithstanding.
- kyrra 2y ago
  Wikipedia tends to have a left-leaning bent to its articles. Using it as the source of truth on things like this isn't always a great gauge. https://manhattan.institute/article/new-study-finds-political-bias-embedded-in-wikipedia-articles https://manhattan.institute/article/new-study-finds-politica...
tptacek 2y ago
Famously, most people are to the left of the WSJ editorial page. That's not a dunk; that's literally what the WSJ is selling. You can be pretty far to the right of the American consensus and still to the left of the WSJ opinion staff.
favorited 2y ago
> she was at wsj editorial pages where she was to the left of basically everyone That's like saying Weiss must be very tall, because you saw her standing next to a classroom of primary school children. The WSJ's editorial reputation is so poor that WSJ's own journalists asked their publisher to do something about it. https://archive.ph/mDRvW https://archive.ph/mDRvW
camgunz 2y ago
This is her news outlet: https://www.thefp.com/ https://www.thefp.com/. 99% of the articles are expositions of right wing talking points; and the same goes for her personal columns. I'm not saying that's wrong or bad. I'm pointing out there's a group of people masquerading as "free thinkers" despite their overwhelmingly right wing views, and Weiss is in this group (Batya Ungar-Sargon is another).
- PaulHoule 2y ago
  There was this podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-witch-trials-of-j-k-rowling/id1671691064 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-witch-trials-of-j-... which has a pretty good analysis of "How did online trolls get so nasty?" that would pretty obviously apply to the anti-vax fringe that the FP panders to but never makes the connection, for instance.

by kyrra 2y ago

PaulHoule 2y ago

The only person in this Wikipedia article to say she leans left is herself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss I'll agree with the criticism of "anti-fascism" and similar trends, but she has way too much enthusiasm Peter Thiel, Joe Rogan and such. I think The Economist should be center right thanks to its consistent insistence on free trade (founded to oppose the Corn Laws in 1843) or rather it is what the center right should be. Between the current Tories and Labor it is politically homeless in the current UK. I'd argue that its rating here https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist is a sign of the US political spectrum itself being hopelessly biased, but maybe any American taking an interest in a foreign publication is left leaning, but then I remembered https://www.allsides.com/news-source/spectator-world-media-bias https://www.allsides.com/news-source/spectator-world-media-b... Full disclosure: I read The Economist and The Guardian regularly and I'd say the latter really is lefty. I was introduced to The Economist by someone who was a conservative at the time but switched sides but has enough sense to not to talk about "anti-fascism" around me.

alvah 2y ago
I agree The Economist should be center right, however if you believe it to be anywhere right of center, that’s really just a sign of the center shifting far to the left IMO.
- tim333 2y ago
  >just a sign of the center shifting far to the left IMO When I was a kid the right wanted free trade and and the left wanted everything controlled by government. Now the right like Trump are big on tariffs and the great leader making things great. I think they are the ones who have moved more. Although I'm not sure this fits well on a one dimensional left right scale.
  - alvah 2y ago
    The old left right scale doesn’t really describe modern politics very well, but I don’t think its hard to argue against the Democrats under Bill Clinton in the 1990s being much closer to the Republicans 20 years later than the current Democrats (i.e. the Overton window shifting far to the left). The same phenomenon can be observed in many Western countries, very recent reactionary shifts to the right notwithstanding.
kyrra 2y ago
Wikipedia tends to have a left-leaning bent to its articles. Using it as the source of truth on things like this isn't always a great gauge. https://manhattan.institute/article/new-study-finds-political-bias-embedded-in-wikipedia-articles https://manhattan.institute/article/new-study-finds-politica...

tptacek 2y ago

Famously, most people are to the left of the WSJ editorial page. That's not a dunk; that's literally what the WSJ is selling. You can be pretty far to the right of the American consensus and still to the left of the WSJ opinion staff.

favorited 2y ago

> she was at wsj editorial pages where she was to the left of basically everyone That's like saying Weiss must be very tall, because you saw her standing next to a classroom of primary school children. The WSJ's editorial reputation is so poor that WSJ's own journalists asked their publisher to do something about it. https://archive.ph/mDRvW https://archive.ph/mDRvW

camgunz 2y ago

This is her news outlet: https://www.thefp.com/ https://www.thefp.com/. 99% of the articles are expositions of right wing talking points; and the same goes for her personal columns. I'm not saying that's wrong or bad. I'm pointing out there's a group of people masquerading as "free thinkers" despite their overwhelmingly right wing views, and Weiss is in this group (Batya Ungar-Sargon is another).

PaulHoule 2y ago
There was this podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-witch-trials-of-j-k-rowling/id1671691064 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-witch-trials-of-j-... which has a pretty good analysis of "How did online trolls get so nasty?" that would pretty obviously apply to the anti-vax fringe that the FP panders to but never makes the connection, for instance.