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It's not just the 3. I just sold my X after four years, during which it accumulated faults which required 13 service appointments to fix, 3 of which were "car i

It's not just the 3. I just sold my X after four years, during which it accumulated faults which required 13 service appointments to fix, 3 of which were "car is completely dead". Every Tesla owner I know tells me stories of the faults their car has had. Even without Elon becoming a literal fascist, there's no way I was going to keep my X out of warranty, and I will never buy another Tesla.

estingala 2y ago
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- jasoncartwright 2y ago
  Musk's political views are pretty hard to miss nowadays
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  Talking about their experience with faults is not unrelated to the article. > As a Tesla owner, I don't like these kinds of associations If you dislike it "as a Tesla owner" it sounds like you're validating the general idea of associating people with the brand, you just think the CEO in particular should be excluded?
  - estingala 2y ago
    Rather than "validating" it, I'm experiencing it. That's why I believe in a forum of generally highly educated people like Hacker News, we would be better off not mixing those topics and talking about politics.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      He didn't say anything about Tesla owners. You're implying many more meaningful associations between the company and people than he did.
    - LeoPanthera 2y ago
      It is not "politics". It is an ethical stance rooted in opposing actions that undermine human rights, democracy, and equality. When a government enacts policies that deny people's existence, strip protections, and erode freedoms, supporting entities aligned with that government enables those harms. Economic choices reflect values, and choosing not to support businesses tied to oppressive systems is a means of accountability, not mere political disagreement. It transcends "politics" by standing firmly for fundamental human decency and justice.
    - menaerus 2y ago
      Much apologist to a man who non ambiguously did what he did and saying other people to refrain from talking about it? No, we should absolutely talk about this precedent in recent history regardless of a fact that we are on a technical forum.
    - emptyfile 2y ago
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    - piva00 2y ago
      But Tesla is involved in politics, in multiple fronts: as a lobbyist of government, as a company owned by someone getting deeply in cahoots with politicians, as a stock being used as collateral for political purchases of media (Twitter). What you are asking is wishful thinking, Tesla has became political because of Elon, there is no way to dissociate this relationship. You deciding to purchase a Tesla even with the moral hazards does have consequences, shame and laws are the only tools against moral transgressions, you are just experiencing the pressure of that tool which is exactly the point... Either live with your decision and its consequences or do not buy a Tesla associated with Musk.
- omnimus 2y ago
  Maybe you should care or investigate who are you giving money to. Maybe even not buying a car is a good idea.
- zfg 2y ago
  > mentioning his CEO and your perception about his ideology It's not perception, it's reality: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/20/trump-elon-musk-salute https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/20/trump-elo... These guys like it: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-salute-reaction-right-wing-extremists-1235241866/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-mus... Musk is making a point of supporting far right parties internationally: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/elon-musk-makes-surprise-appearance-at-afd-event-in-eastern-germany https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/elon-musk... And his far right views are not new: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk-antisemitic-tweet-adl https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk... Musk is an attention seeking narcissist who has gone out of his way to make himself synonymous with the Tesla brand. When you buy Tesla you're now buying into Musk's far right politics. He's done a lot of damage to the Tesla brand: https://insideevs.com/news/748520/model-y-social-media-juniper/ https://insideevs.com/news/748520/model-y-social-media-junip... If you don't want to be associated with Musk the simple solution is don't buy Tesla.
  - synecdoche 2y ago
    > These guys like it By such reasoning anything extremists like is extremist by association. How does that make sense?
    - zfg 2y ago
      They correctly recognized it for what it was. The brand damage is big this time. Teslas are now being called "swasticars".
- rsynnott 2y ago
  > As a Tesla owner, I don't like these kinds of associations, which sadly are becoming mainstream So, wait, you're worried about people associating _you_ with the brand, but think that they shouldn't associate _Musk_ with the brand?
- askl 2y ago
  > (otherwise, I would buy no car) Why not just do that? It's the best option.
beAbU 2y ago
That is... substantial. 13 appts in 4 years is crazy. My first car in 2007 was a 1975 peugeot, and although good looking, I basically had to pray "please don't break, please don't break" whenever I rode it somewhere. At some point I could not stand the mental anguish of it any more, and sold the thing and got a bicycle. I cannot imagine what that feeling must be like when driving around in a $80k+ brand new car!
fnqi8ckfek 2y ago
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lostmsu 2y ago
Lemon law?
- LeoPanthera 2y ago
  Lemon laws in California have very specific requirements which my car got close to, but did not meet.
r00fus 2y ago
Amazing. My 2017 Ford Focus EV (a dreaded "compliance car") had literally zero problems other than replaceable items (wipers, 12v, tires, keyfob, etc). Plus since it was based on a high-volume platform, fixing it after a fender bender was very cheap.

estingala 2y ago

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jasoncartwright 2y ago
Musk's political views are pretty hard to miss nowadays
Dylan16807 2y ago
Talking about their experience with faults is not unrelated to the article. > As a Tesla owner, I don't like these kinds of associations If you dislike it "as a Tesla owner" it sounds like you're validating the general idea of associating people with the brand, you just think the CEO in particular should be excluded?
- estingala 2y ago
  Rather than "validating" it, I'm experiencing it. That's why I believe in a forum of generally highly educated people like Hacker News, we would be better off not mixing those topics and talking about politics.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    He didn't say anything about Tesla owners. You're implying many more meaningful associations between the company and people than he did.
  - LeoPanthera 2y ago
    It is not "politics". It is an ethical stance rooted in opposing actions that undermine human rights, democracy, and equality. When a government enacts policies that deny people's existence, strip protections, and erode freedoms, supporting entities aligned with that government enables those harms. Economic choices reflect values, and choosing not to support businesses tied to oppressive systems is a means of accountability, not mere political disagreement. It transcends "politics" by standing firmly for fundamental human decency and justice.
  - menaerus 2y ago
    Much apologist to a man who non ambiguously did what he did and saying other people to refrain from talking about it? No, we should absolutely talk about this precedent in recent history regardless of a fact that we are on a technical forum.
  - emptyfile 2y ago
    [dead]
  - piva00 2y ago
    But Tesla is involved in politics, in multiple fronts: as a lobbyist of government, as a company owned by someone getting deeply in cahoots with politicians, as a stock being used as collateral for political purchases of media (Twitter). What you are asking is wishful thinking, Tesla has became political because of Elon, there is no way to dissociate this relationship. You deciding to purchase a Tesla even with the moral hazards does have consequences, shame and laws are the only tools against moral transgressions, you are just experiencing the pressure of that tool which is exactly the point... Either live with your decision and its consequences or do not buy a Tesla associated with Musk.
omnimus 2y ago
Maybe you should care or investigate who are you giving money to. Maybe even not buying a car is a good idea.
zfg 2y ago
> mentioning his CEO and your perception about his ideology It's not perception, it's reality: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/20/trump-elon-musk-salute https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/20/trump-elo... These guys like it: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-salute-reaction-right-wing-extremists-1235241866/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-mus... Musk is making a point of supporting far right parties internationally: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/elon-musk-makes-surprise-appearance-at-afd-event-in-eastern-germany https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/25/elon-musk... And his far right views are not new: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk-antisemitic-tweet-adl https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk... Musk is an attention seeking narcissist who has gone out of his way to make himself synonymous with the Tesla brand. When you buy Tesla you're now buying into Musk's far right politics. He's done a lot of damage to the Tesla brand: https://insideevs.com/news/748520/model-y-social-media-juniper/ https://insideevs.com/news/748520/model-y-social-media-junip... If you don't want to be associated with Musk the simple solution is don't buy Tesla.
- synecdoche 2y ago
  > These guys like it By such reasoning anything extremists like is extremist by association. How does that make sense?
  - zfg 2y ago
    They correctly recognized it for what it was. The brand damage is big this time. Teslas are now being called "swasticars".
rsynnott 2y ago
> As a Tesla owner, I don't like these kinds of associations, which sadly are becoming mainstream So, wait, you're worried about people associating _you_ with the brand, but think that they shouldn't associate _Musk_ with the brand?
askl 2y ago
> (otherwise, I would buy no car) Why not just do that? It's the best option.

beAbU 2y ago

That is... substantial. 13 appts in 4 years is crazy. My first car in 2007 was a 1975 peugeot, and although good looking, I basically had to pray "please don't break, please don't break" whenever I rode it somewhere. At some point I could not stand the mental anguish of it any more, and sold the thing and got a bicycle. I cannot imagine what that feeling must be like when driving around in a $80k+ brand new car!

fnqi8ckfek 2y ago

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lostmsu 2y ago

Lemon law?

LeoPanthera 2y ago
Lemon laws in California have very specific requirements which my car got close to, but did not meet.

r00fus 2y ago

Amazing. My 2017 Ford Focus EV (a dreaded "compliance car") had literally zero problems other than replaceable items (wipers, 12v, tires, keyfob, etc). Plus since it was based on a high-volume platform, fixing it after a fender bender was very cheap.