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How many mass produced electric cars were sold there in the same class in 2020? I see some potential bias in this statistic because Tesla is probably the only o

How many mass produced electric cars were sold there in the same class in 2020? I see some potential bias in this statistic because Tesla is probably the only one who sold a significant number of cars back then, but I don't speak Danish.

lm28469 2y ago
May I introduce you to the concept of percentage ?
- sigmoid10 2y ago
  You might wanna start by learning about the law of large numbers.
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therouwboat 2y ago
Does it matter if its electric when it has problems with "brakes, lights, wheels and steering"?
- speerer 2y ago
  I'd love to know the answer to this. It sounds like a very complicated question. Do electric cars go harder on their brakes because of regenerative braking perhaps?
  - ok_dad 2y ago
    It's the opposite, EVs tend to rarely need disc or pad replacements because of the regen brakes.
    - silversmith 2y ago
      If used in California. Mix in wetter conditions, and salted roads in winter, and you have a recipe for disaster - the components experience all of the weather, but none of the "cleaning" force of actual braking. Anecdotal evidence, every single electric car owner I personally know has complained about brake rust here in Latvia. Even those with small 50km range plug-in hybrids, when used mainly for daily commuting within electrical range.
    - blueflow 2y ago
      Only holds true in dry regions of the world.
  - kiney 2y ago
    EVs use their brakes less which ironically leads to more problems because of rust
  - menaerus 2y ago
    Brakes are not used as much because of regenerative braking and that somehow seems to impair the braking system. I was also interested in what is meant by "steering" - here it seems that the main culprit is the weight of the batteries that are putting a lot of stress on the suspension system.
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Mordisquitos 2y ago
Market share of battery electric vehicles in Denmark is currently 51.5%: https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-information/news/denmark-bevs-take-over-2024-515-market-share https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-i...
weego 2y ago
How does sales volume bias long term per-car quality and reliability?
- consp 2y ago
  It doesn't but low numbers can skew some results for others (in case you want to compare). Then again, it doesn't look to be the case anyway due to the massive amount of BEVs driving around.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    If the entire electric car category outside of Tesla was less than 50, that type of statistical anomsly might be possible for other electric cars. Otherwise it's not happening. But the Tesla number would still be way too high.
menaerus 2y ago
That could be said if same defects and similar results hadn't been found by yet another test from TÜV (Germany). https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2025/ https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2025/
prmoustache 2y ago
I can't say about Denmark but my observation is that the electric car landscape in europe might be slightly more diversified than say in the USA. Mostly because our number one car is not a truck and thus the competition had to react and build EVs to compete against Tesla. Here are the numbers I found for 2020: 1 Renault Zoe: 99,261 2 Tesla Model 3: 85,713 3 Volkswagen ID 3: 56,118 4 Hyundai Kona: 47,796 5 Volkswagen eGolf: 33,650 6 Peugeot e208: 31,287 7 Kia eNiro: 31,019 8 Nissan Leaf: 30,916 9 Audi E-tron: 26,454 10 BMW i3: 23,113 So there are many more EV cars from other brands sold in 2020 than there were Tesla Model 3. The Tesla Model 3 represented at the very least less than 18.5% of cars as I only counted the top 10. source: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/renault-zoe-eclipses-tesla-model-3-europes-best-selling-ev https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/renault-zoe-ecli...
- sehansen 2y ago
  Tesla Model 3 was the most sold electric car sales in Denmark in 2020 at around 1/3 of electric cars sold: 1 Tesla Model 3: 4,277 2 Volkswagen ID.3: 1,722 3 Hyundai Kona: 1,160 4 Kia Niro: 834 5 Renault Zoe: 704 6 Volkswagen Golf: 625 7 Nissan Leaf: 566 8 Audi E-tron: 493 9 Volkswagen Up!: 369 10 Porsche Taycan: 327 Source: https://www.bn.dk/bilmagasin/her-er-aarets-mest-solgte-biler-i-2020 https://www.bn.dk/bilmagasin/her-er-aarets-mest-solgte-biler... So the Danish electric car market was somewhat diversified, but the Tesla brand was very strong back then. Still, you're absolutely correct that there were enough other electric cars sold back than that the comparison with the Model 3 is fair.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  > Mostly because our number one car is not a truck and thus the competition had to react and build EVs to compete against Tesla. I mean, it wasn't even really reactive; the Leaf and Zoe came out at about the same time as the Tesla Model S, and weren't competing with it (they were well under half the price). They were quite old news by the time the Model 3 launched. The VW eGolf and BMW i3 also predate affordable (sub-100k) Tesla cars being available, at least in Europe.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
seszett 2y ago
> Tesla is probably the only one who sold a significant number of cars back then About 40% of the electric cars sold in Denmark in (edit: september) 2020 were Teslas: https://www.datawrapper.de/_/Q1H9W/ https://www.datawrapper.de/_/Q1H9W/ (the source for this is https://web.archive.org/web/20201119015250/https://www.bilimp.dk/Nyhed?id=8176 https://web.archive.org/web/20201119015250/https://www.bilim... only available on Archive.org anymore apparently)

lm28469 2y ago

May I introduce you to the concept of percentage ?

sigmoid10 2y ago
You might wanna start by learning about the law of large numbers.

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therouwboat 2y ago

Does it matter if its electric when it has problems with "brakes, lights, wheels and steering"?

speerer 2y ago
I'd love to know the answer to this. It sounds like a very complicated question. Do electric cars go harder on their brakes because of regenerative braking perhaps?
- ok_dad 2y ago
  It's the opposite, EVs tend to rarely need disc or pad replacements because of the regen brakes.
  - silversmith 2y ago
    If used in California. Mix in wetter conditions, and salted roads in winter, and you have a recipe for disaster - the components experience all of the weather, but none of the "cleaning" force of actual braking. Anecdotal evidence, every single electric car owner I personally know has complained about brake rust here in Latvia. Even those with small 50km range plug-in hybrids, when used mainly for daily commuting within electrical range.
  - blueflow 2y ago
    Only holds true in dry regions of the world.
- kiney 2y ago
  EVs use their brakes less which ironically leads to more problems because of rust
- menaerus 2y ago
  Brakes are not used as much because of regenerative braking and that somehow seems to impair the braking system. I was also interested in what is meant by "steering" - here it seems that the main culprit is the weight of the batteries that are putting a lot of stress on the suspension system.
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Mordisquitos 2y ago

Market share of battery electric vehicles in Denmark is currently 51.5%: https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-information/news/denmark-bevs-take-over-2024-515-market-share https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-i...

weego 2y ago

How does sales volume bias long term per-car quality and reliability?

consp 2y ago
It doesn't but low numbers can skew some results for others (in case you want to compare). Then again, it doesn't look to be the case anyway due to the massive amount of BEVs driving around.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  If the entire electric car category outside of Tesla was less than 50, that type of statistical anomsly might be possible for other electric cars. Otherwise it's not happening. But the Tesla number would still be way too high.

menaerus 2y ago

That could be said if same defects and similar results hadn't been found by yet another test from TÜV (Germany). https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2025/ https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2025/

prmoustache 2y ago

I can't say about Denmark but my observation is that the electric car landscape in europe might be slightly more diversified than say in the USA. Mostly because our number one car is not a truck and thus the competition had to react and build EVs to compete against Tesla. Here are the numbers I found for 2020: 1 Renault Zoe: 99,261 2 Tesla Model 3: 85,713 3 Volkswagen ID 3: 56,118 4 Hyundai Kona: 47,796 5 Volkswagen eGolf: 33,650 6 Peugeot e208: 31,287 7 Kia eNiro: 31,019 8 Nissan Leaf: 30,916 9 Audi E-tron: 26,454 10 BMW i3: 23,113 So there are many more EV cars from other brands sold in 2020 than there were Tesla Model 3. The Tesla Model 3 represented at the very least less than 18.5% of cars as I only counted the top 10. source: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/renault-zoe-eclipses-tesla-model-3-europes-best-selling-ev https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/renault-zoe-ecli...

sehansen 2y ago
Tesla Model 3 was the most sold electric car sales in Denmark in 2020 at around 1/3 of electric cars sold: 1 Tesla Model 3: 4,277 2 Volkswagen ID.3: 1,722 3 Hyundai Kona: 1,160 4 Kia Niro: 834 5 Renault Zoe: 704 6 Volkswagen Golf: 625 7 Nissan Leaf: 566 8 Audi E-tron: 493 9 Volkswagen Up!: 369 10 Porsche Taycan: 327 Source: https://www.bn.dk/bilmagasin/her-er-aarets-mest-solgte-biler-i-2020 https://www.bn.dk/bilmagasin/her-er-aarets-mest-solgte-biler... So the Danish electric car market was somewhat diversified, but the Tesla brand was very strong back then. Still, you're absolutely correct that there were enough other electric cars sold back than that the comparison with the Model 3 is fair.
rsynnott 2y ago
> Mostly because our number one car is not a truck and thus the competition had to react and build EVs to compete against Tesla. I mean, it wasn't even really reactive; the Leaf and Zoe came out at about the same time as the Tesla Model S, and weren't competing with it (they were well under half the price). They were quite old news by the time the Model 3 launched. The VW eGolf and BMW i3 also predate affordable (sub-100k) Tesla cars being available, at least in Europe.
- prmoustache 2y ago

seszett 2y ago

> Tesla is probably the only one who sold a significant number of cars back then About 40% of the electric cars sold in Denmark in (edit: september) 2020 were Teslas: https://www.datawrapper.de/_/Q1H9W/ https://www.datawrapper.de/_/Q1H9W/ (the source for this is https://web.archive.org/web/20201119015250/https://www.bilimp.dk/Nyhed?id=8176 https://web.archive.org/web/20201119015250/https://www.bilim... only available on Archive.org anymore apparently)