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As I was asking myself, what the comparative value is for other cars, from the article: For "Other electric cars inspected" the rate was 9%, for the Tesla Model

• sigmoid10 2y ago
  How many mass produced electric cars were sold there in the same class in 2020? I see some potential bias in this statistic because Tesla is probably the only one who sold a significant number of cars back then, but I don't speak Danish.
  • lm28469 2y ago
    May I introduce you to the concept of percentage ?
    • sigmoid10 2y ago
      You might wanna start by learning about the law of large numbers.
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  • therouwboat 2y ago
    Does it matter if its electric when it has problems with "brakes, lights, wheels and steering"?
    • speerer 2y ago
      I'd love to know the answer to this. It sounds like a very complicated question. Do electric cars go harder on their brakes because of regenerative braking perhaps?
      • ok_dad 2y ago
        It's the opposite, EVs tend to rarely need disc or pad replacements because of the regen brakes.
        • silversmith 2y ago
          If used in California. Mix in wetter conditions, and salted roads in winter, and you have a recipe for disaster - the components experience all of the weather, but none of the "cleaning" force of actual braking. Anecdotal evidence, every single electric car owner I personally know has complained about brake rust here in Latvia. Even those with small 50km range plug-in hybrids, when used mainly for daily commuting within electrical range.
        • blueflow 2y ago
          Only holds true in dry regions of the world.
      • kiney 2y ago
        EVs use their brakes less which ironically leads to more problems because of rust
      • menaerus 2y ago
        Brakes are not used as much because of regenerative braking and that somehow seems to impair the braking system. I was also interested in what is meant by "steering" - here it seems that the main culprit is the weight of the batteries that are putting a lot of stress on the suspension system.
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  • Mordisquitos 2y ago
    Market share of battery electric vehicles in Denmark is currently 51.5%: https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-information/news/denmark-bevs-take-over-2024-515-market-share https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/general-i...
  • weego 2y ago
    How does sales volume bias long term per-car quality and reliability?
    • consp 2y ago
      It doesn't but low numbers can skew some results for others (in case you want to compare). Then again, it doesn't look to be the case anyway due to the massive amount of BEVs driving around.
      • Dylan16807 2y ago
        If the entire electric car category outside of Tesla was less than 50, that type of statistical anomsly might be possible for other electric cars. Otherwise it's not happening. But the Tesla number would still be way too high.
  • menaerus 2y ago
    That could be said if same defects and similar results hadn't been found by yet another test from TÜV (Germany). https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2025/ https://www.adac.de/news/tuev-report-2025/
  • prmoustache 2y ago
    I can't say about Denmark but my observation is that the electric car landscape in europe might be slightly more diversified than say in the USA. Mostly because our number one car is not a truck and thus the competition had to react and build EVs to compete against Tesla. Here are the numbers I found for 2020: 1 Renault Zoe: 99,261 2 Tesla Model 3: 85,713 3 Volkswagen ID 3: 56,118 4 Hyundai Kona: 47,796 5 Volkswagen eGolf: 33,650 6 Peugeot e208: 31,287 7 Kia eNiro: 31,019 8 Nissan Leaf: 30,916 9 Audi E-tron: 26,454 10 BMW i3: 23,113 So there are many more EV cars from other brands sold in 2020 than there were Tesla Model 3. The Tesla Model 3 represented at the very least less than 18.5% of cars as I only counted the top 10. source: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/renault-zoe-eclipses-tesla-model-3-europes-best-selling-ev https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/renault-zoe-ecli...
    • sehansen 2y ago
      Tesla Model 3 was the most sold electric car sales in Denmark in 2020 at around 1/3 of electric cars sold: 1 Tesla Model 3: 4,277 2 Volkswagen ID.3: 1,722 3 Hyundai Kona: 1,160 4 Kia Niro: 834 5 Renault Zoe: 704 6 Volkswagen Golf: 625 7 Nissan Leaf: 566 8 Audi E-tron: 493 9 Volkswagen Up!: 369 10 Porsche Taycan: 327 Source: https://www.bn.dk/bilmagasin/her-er-aarets-mest-solgte-biler-i-2020 https://www.bn.dk/bilmagasin/her-er-aarets-mest-solgte-biler... So the Danish electric car market was somewhat diversified, but the Tesla brand was very strong back then. Still, you're absolutely correct that there were enough other electric cars sold back than that the comparison with the Model 3 is fair.
    • rsynnott 2y ago
      > Mostly because our number one car is not a truck and thus the competition had to react and build EVs to compete against Tesla. I mean, it wasn't even really reactive; the Leaf and Zoe came out at about the same time as the Tesla Model S, and weren't competing with it (they were well under half the price). They were quite old news by the time the Model 3 launched. The VW eGolf and BMW i3 also predate affordable (sub-100k) Tesla cars being available, at least in Europe.
      • prmoustache 2y ago
  • seszett 2y ago
    > Tesla is probably the only one who sold a significant number of cars back then About 40% of the electric cars sold in Denmark in (edit: september) 2020 were Teslas: https://www.datawrapper.de/_/Q1H9W/ https://www.datawrapper.de/_/Q1H9W/ (the source for this is https://web.archive.org/web/20201119015250/https://www.bilimp.dk/Nyhed?id=8176 https://web.archive.org/web/20201119015250/https://www.bilim... only available on Archive.org anymore apparently)
• jmkd 2y ago
  While it states "Other electric cars inspected", it does not appear to specify if that means simply all other electric cars, or other electric cars with the model year 2020. The latter is the only group that should be compared with the 23% figure.
  • speerer 2y ago
    I couldn't be sure from my awkward autotranslation into English. But I would have thought that if the 9% includes cars from other years that makes it worse, not better for Tesla: The article is making the point that this is the first time Tesla has been included in the figures, so it would only be newer Teslas being compared to older, other electric cars.
    • jmkd 2y ago
      Quite possible. However it's also unclear if this includes hybrids. I'm certainly not a Tesla apologist, but I think journalistic misuse of or ambiguity around statistics should always be called out.
      • Dylan16807 2y ago
        A hybrid is an electric car with extra parts so I'm not sure why including them would be unfair to Tesla either? (Weight is a factor but lots of electric cars are similar weight to lots of hybrid cars so it's something to keep in mind no matter what and not a particular reason to exclude hybrids.)
        • jmkd 2y ago
          The only point I'm trying to make is you need to compare apples to apples, and if you don't that contributes to misinformation. People run with figures from articles and press releases as if they are gold standard info, but often they are not. It's irrelevant to my point whether that is more or less fair to Tesla.
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• manmal 2y ago
  The bad build quality of at least the US built models is a meme by now. The Chinese and German built models are supposedly way better though. Not that I'd buy a Tesla at this point.
  • avereveard 2y ago
    When I pointed out that rushing teslas trough a tent was suboptimal I got down voted to hell, guess the reality of manufacturing caught up https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17437073 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17437073
    • badgersnake 2y ago
      The Musk narrative on hn back then was that he’s a god like genius who cannot be criticised back then. Those who dared to question it got downvoted. Probably due to a lot of the site holding Tesla stock.
      • jajko 2y ago
        He earned a lot, I mean a lot of respect for building his empires from 0, sometimes despite what others were saying to him. Huge, successful, novel businesses. Plus he understands underlying tech, which is rare for CEOs. We devs, 'hackers' like and admire that. But he is a terrible person, unstable, has many mental issues, pretty terrible father (which goes directly to terrible husband). Petty, childish, vengeful, has no issue lying to whole world with straight face. At the end it doesn't matter what pros one have even up to this level, such set of cons overwhelms overall rating of given person very firmly into POS territory for me. Happy to see it unfolding now, and not decades after his death once cult of his worshippers slowly dissipates. But I think he can still redeem himself, he has tremendous potential for good, maybe more than any other human being right now. I don't mean some Mars pipe dream, that feels rather like a great endeavor for 22nd century, but plenty of crap here back on Earth that needs some stronger push into better direction.
        • gabrielgio 2y ago
• estingala 2y ago
  One should pay special attention when making comparisons like this, like adjusting for mileage and car segment. It known this segment of cars with more complex suspension systems is known to be hard on the bushings (but this is not unique to Tesla). Also the brake system. Take away is: Take your car for inspection before the warranty expires (which for Tesla is 4 years or 80.000km in Europe)