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You're striking at the fundamental irrationality behind the current hype cycle. It is still, in the vast majority of cases, a solution looking for a real proble

You're striking at the fundamental irrationality behind the current hype cycle. It is still, in the vast majority of cases, a solution looking for a real problem. Since there isn't an actual clear benefit or problem to solve yet, that justifies the high costs, people are trying to make their (silly) bets come true by brute force (get everyone to use this thing so I get my ROI, whether it makes any actual sense or not).

JohnMakin 2y ago
I’m sure it’s already a solution to a lot of things, that just aren’t sexy or justifiable for the current cost - for instance, if it was cheap enough, I would never have to use a keyboard again, which due to a disability I have, is becoming more difficult. That would help a lot of people almost certainly, but since it isn’t like, the next iphone, people turn their noses at it. Solutions like neuralink if they become mature could probably use some sort of llm powered translation layer to machine instructions (which neither tech is near being perfect with). Things like that, I think we can technically do already, it is a matter of refining - the magical stuff though, I’m less sure of.
- CaptainFever 2y ago
  Have you tried dictation apps built on Whisper? They're pretty damn magic to me. Also they are often small enough to run locally.
  - JohnMakin 2y ago
    Due to quirks in how I speak most dictation apps fail me miserably and I don’t like giving apps a lot of microphone access. I think dictation would be great, but sometimes is hard to do so at the speed one can think and type - I am hopeful for more technologies in the future that help disabled people gain more technical use, whether that be sci fi stuff like neuralink, or more friendly web protocols towards screen readers and stuff. Seems like LLM’s slot in to some layers there, somewhere, to me. One of the only great uses I get out of it is it greatly saves on my typing with code complete + vim. Fewer keystrokes is good for anyone’s hands, and it seems good at predicting what you want to do rather than what it thinks you should do.
    - stouset 2y ago
      I would love to understand your thinking around not wanting to give apps microphone access while simultaneously being excited about the prospect of giving apps direct access to your literal brain.
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      - JohnMakin 2y ago
        If my choice is two invasive technologies I’d probably end up choosing the one that works better, and I think it will be done irresponsibly, but if it means retaining access to the world around me, difficult to see any other real choice other than slowly becoming locked in one’s body. I have a degenerative muscle disease and only about 20 years left before my voice muscles will leave me, if my heart does not give out first. So, that is my thinking. Right now they simply don’t work well enough for me to adopt and give up that privacy, is the real issue with adoption (for me). If I regress further, and that’s all I can reach to, I would continue to try - just very frustrating to use.
        stouset 2y ago
        That makes sense, thanks for your response! I’m truly sorry to hear about the challenges you’re going through, and I genuinely hope improvements in the technological landscape afford you greater access to the world in each coming year than is taken away.
        JohnMakin 2y ago
        the issue is i slur badly due to multiple disorders and these apps can’t figure it out. many other disorders also struggle
- rsynnott 2y ago
  > for instance, if it was cheap enough, I would never have to use a keyboard again, which due to a disability I have, is becoming more difficult. That would help a lot of people almost certainly I mean, sure, but it’s a disability aid which isn’t useful to the average person. I don’t think most people are saying that ‘AI’ is entirely useless, but you mostly are talking about niche uses like this, not the world-changing thing it is being sold as.
refulgentis 2y ago
I don't understand how this facilitates or admits any discussion. If I tried to learn more about how you feel, anything I say that indicates any questioning of what you wrote, is to support something that is vapid, negative, worthless, that doesn't solve anything, a "solution" looking for a problem.

JohnMakin 2y ago

I’m sure it’s already a solution to a lot of things, that just aren’t sexy or justifiable for the current cost - for instance, if it was cheap enough, I would never have to use a keyboard again, which due to a disability I have, is becoming more difficult. That would help a lot of people almost certainly, but since it isn’t like, the next iphone, people turn their noses at it. Solutions like neuralink if they become mature could probably use some sort of llm powered translation layer to machine instructions (which neither tech is near being perfect with). Things like that, I think we can technically do already, it is a matter of refining - the magical stuff though, I’m less sure of.

CaptainFever 2y ago
Have you tried dictation apps built on Whisper? They're pretty damn magic to me. Also they are often small enough to run locally.
- JohnMakin 2y ago
  Due to quirks in how I speak most dictation apps fail me miserably and I don’t like giving apps a lot of microphone access. I think dictation would be great, but sometimes is hard to do so at the speed one can think and type - I am hopeful for more technologies in the future that help disabled people gain more technical use, whether that be sci fi stuff like neuralink, or more friendly web protocols towards screen readers and stuff. Seems like LLM’s slot in to some layers there, somewhere, to me. One of the only great uses I get out of it is it greatly saves on my typing with code complete + vim. Fewer keystrokes is good for anyone’s hands, and it seems good at predicting what you want to do rather than what it thinks you should do.
  - stouset 2y ago
    I would love to understand your thinking around not wanting to give apps microphone access while simultaneously being excited about the prospect of giving apps direct access to your literal brain.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - JohnMakin 2y ago
      If my choice is two invasive technologies I’d probably end up choosing the one that works better, and I think it will be done irresponsibly, but if it means retaining access to the world around me, difficult to see any other real choice other than slowly becoming locked in one’s body. I have a degenerative muscle disease and only about 20 years left before my voice muscles will leave me, if my heart does not give out first. So, that is my thinking. Right now they simply don’t work well enough for me to adopt and give up that privacy, is the real issue with adoption (for me). If I regress further, and that’s all I can reach to, I would continue to try - just very frustrating to use.
      - stouset 2y ago
        That makes sense, thanks for your response! I’m truly sorry to hear about the challenges you’re going through, and I genuinely hope improvements in the technological landscape afford you greater access to the world in each coming year than is taken away.
        JohnMakin 2y ago
        the issue is i slur badly due to multiple disorders and these apps can’t figure it out. many other disorders also struggle
rsynnott 2y ago
> for instance, if it was cheap enough, I would never have to use a keyboard again, which due to a disability I have, is becoming more difficult. That would help a lot of people almost certainly I mean, sure, but it’s a disability aid which isn’t useful to the average person. I don’t think most people are saying that ‘AI’ is entirely useless, but you mostly are talking about niche uses like this, not the world-changing thing it is being sold as.

refulgentis 2y ago

I don't understand how this facilitates or admits any discussion. If I tried to learn more about how you feel, anything I say that indicates any questioning of what you wrote, is to support something that is vapid, negative, worthless, that doesn't solve anything, a "solution" looking for a problem.