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>I think it's fair to say a lot of Trump's apologists and defenders really did not understand the ramifications of his first presidency, and are not in a positi

>I think it's fair to say a lot of Trump's apologists and defenders really did not understand the ramifications of his first presidency, and are not in a position to clearly anticipate the ramifications of his second presidency. Speaking as one Trump voter among many others, I knew exactly what he accomplished in his first term and what a hypothetical second term could look like. I also understood what his campaign platform and promises were and by and large I support them, including significantly reducing the federal government overall across the board. What we are seeing now with January 6 and pro-life pardons among other pardons, the new United States DOGE Service, exits from Paris Agreement and WHO, mass deportations of illegal aliens and securing of the southern border, tariffs on imports and especially on countries who aren't amicable, removal of DEI and other equity-based programmes from the federal government with extreme prejudice, among many many other policies and mandates are all things I expected and wanted to see when I voted for Trump. No doubt there are voters who voted Trump simply along party lines or other reasons, but just as much are voters who gave the election some thought and voted Trump. If you don't agree with me then that's unfortunate, but my vote isn't yours.

dr_kiszonka 2y ago
Is there anything Trump is doing that you do not approve of or would prefer was done in a different fashion? (Just curious, not trying to argue.)
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  I disagree in part with Trump's idea of Palestinians moving out of Gaza to Egypt and Jordan, not the least because it's violence incarnate. It's akin to the Trail of Tears[1] which was one of the most shameful bits of our history. Now, why do I say in part? Because I am also appreciative of the sad reality that peace in the Holy Land simply is not possible with more than one sovereign state in it. It simply isn't, there are so many peoples who would kill and die over that piece of land that any multi-state arrangement is practically impossible. I don't care if it ends up being Israel or Palestine or some other country or entity ultimately in charge of the Holy Land, but it's inevitably going to be one and the path to get there will not be pretty. I also find Trump's executive order on delaying the banning of TikTok legally (IANAL) dubious. His reasoning is that his administration hasn't had enough time to understand it and thus sufficiently execute the law as written, but the law doesn't provide for such an out. The courts can have their say if it comes to that. As a Japanese(-American), Trump's seemingly apathetic position on Japan is somewhat concerning. However, the Japanese government also has its share of blame to take. Consolation is that Trump has been very cordial with the wife of the late Shinzo Abe and also Softbank CEO Masayoshi Son, which means he at least has some level of care for Japan, and it's not like US-Japan relations would go completely sour anyway. By and large though, I am satisfied and happy with what Trump has done and accomplished so far. I voted for this and I still stand by my vote. Let's Make America Great Again, any friends and allies who want to tag along are very welcome. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
jaybrendansmith 2y ago
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- Dalewyn 2y ago
  I saw that, and that wasn't a "Nazi salute". Any and all publications and pundits/influencers declaring it as such are wholly disingenuous and should be ashamed of themselves. The sensationalizing was a textbook example of taking things out of context and projecting your(the Left's) own biases. If you can't understand that, let me put it in simpler terms: That was a "My heart goes out to you!" salute and I am happy for Musk for being happy that we the American people won the election against all odds.
  - CyberDildonics 2y ago
    What he did was identical to a classic nazi sieg heil, right down the forcefulness. https://imgur.com/UFrmbJs https://imgur.com/UFrmbJs Let's not forget when the convention stage was exactly (not almost) an odal rune. https://auschwitz.info/en/welcome/announcements/artikel/lesen/trump-and-the-nazi-symbol-of-the-odal-rune-2372.html https://auschwitz.info/en/welcome/announcements/artikel/lese... “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984 One thing you could do to see what other people think the same is to video yourself doing this exact motion, then send it to your co workers telling them your heart goes out to them.
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johnnyanmac 2y ago
I clealrly disagree with a lot of your viewpoints. But I need to laser down on fhis: >What we are seeing now with January pardons Why do you expect and want to see this? What about that event resonated with you that you'd excuse those people? I expected this to be a bi+partisan shame on the country, so I just do not see the angle here.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
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    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      To be charged with a crime signals the beginning of a trial, a conviction signals the conclusion of a trial with a guilty verdict. From an archived DoJ page[1] at the year 3 (January 2024) mark, ~1200 defendants were charged and 171 were convicted (32 without a trial). 749 were sentenced in total. So that's presumably still more than several hundred defendants waiting for what should be a speedy trial. Again, that is not how we should operate in this country. If you accuse (charge) someone of a crime their trial should be brought as swiftly as possible as mandated by the Constitution. That this was not done is by itself enough cause to pardon them, let alone the exaggeration of the charges presented. Also, to close things out: >The 'back the blue' and 'tough on crime' party is a total farce. Trump and Republicans enjoyed and continue to enjoy the approval and cooperation of law enforcement agencies across the country both before and after the pardons were issued. [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20240108135705/https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/36-months-jan-6-attack-capitol-0 https://web.archive.org/web/20240108135705/https://www.justi...
      - dragonwriter 2y ago
        > From an archived DoJ page[1] at the year 3 (January 2024) mark, ~1200 defendants were charged and 171 were convicted (32 without a trial). 749 were sentenced in total. The number sentenced cannot be higher than the number convicted (and the source document, unlike your summary, does not make that impossible claim), since sentencing requires conviction. > So that's presumably more than several hundred defendants waiting for what should be a speedy trial. Many of them were charged substantially after the event, “Speedy trial” refers to the time from charging to trial (the time from event to charges is governed by statute of limitations, not speedy trial rights.)

dr_kiszonka 2y ago

Is there anything Trump is doing that you do not approve of or would prefer was done in a different fashion? (Just curious, not trying to argue.)

Dalewyn 2y ago
I disagree in part with Trump's idea of Palestinians moving out of Gaza to Egypt and Jordan, not the least because it's violence incarnate. It's akin to the Trail of Tears[1] which was one of the most shameful bits of our history. Now, why do I say in part? Because I am also appreciative of the sad reality that peace in the Holy Land simply is not possible with more than one sovereign state in it. It simply isn't, there are so many peoples who would kill and die over that piece of land that any multi-state arrangement is practically impossible. I don't care if it ends up being Israel or Palestine or some other country or entity ultimately in charge of the Holy Land, but it's inevitably going to be one and the path to get there will not be pretty. I also find Trump's executive order on delaying the banning of TikTok legally (IANAL) dubious. His reasoning is that his administration hasn't had enough time to understand it and thus sufficiently execute the law as written, but the law doesn't provide for such an out. The courts can have their say if it comes to that. As a Japanese(-American), Trump's seemingly apathetic position on Japan is somewhat concerning. However, the Japanese government also has its share of blame to take. Consolation is that Trump has been very cordial with the wife of the late Shinzo Abe and also Softbank CEO Masayoshi Son, which means he at least has some level of care for Japan, and it's not like US-Japan relations would go completely sour anyway. By and large though, I am satisfied and happy with what Trump has done and accomplished so far. I voted for this and I still stand by my vote. Let's Make America Great Again, any friends and allies who want to tag along are very welcome. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

jaybrendansmith 2y ago

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Dalewyn 2y ago
I saw that, and that wasn't a "Nazi salute". Any and all publications and pundits/influencers declaring it as such are wholly disingenuous and should be ashamed of themselves. The sensationalizing was a textbook example of taking things out of context and projecting your(the Left's) own biases. If you can't understand that, let me put it in simpler terms: That was a "My heart goes out to you!" salute and I am happy for Musk for being happy that we the American people won the election against all odds.
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  What he did was identical to a classic nazi sieg heil, right down the forcefulness. https://imgur.com/UFrmbJs https://imgur.com/UFrmbJs Let's not forget when the convention stage was exactly (not almost) an odal rune. https://auschwitz.info/en/welcome/announcements/artikel/lesen/trump-and-the-nazi-symbol-of-the-odal-rune-2372.html https://auschwitz.info/en/welcome/announcements/artikel/lese... “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ― George Orwell, 1984 One thing you could do to see what other people think the same is to video yourself doing this exact motion, then send it to your co workers telling them your heart goes out to them.
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johnnyanmac 2y ago

I clealrly disagree with a lot of your viewpoints. But I need to laser down on fhis: >What we are seeing now with January pardons Why do you expect and want to see this? What about that event resonated with you that you'd excuse those people? I expected this to be a bi+partisan shame on the country, so I just do not see the angle here.

Dalewyn 2y ago
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- matwood 2y ago
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  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    To be charged with a crime signals the beginning of a trial, a conviction signals the conclusion of a trial with a guilty verdict. From an archived DoJ page[1] at the year 3 (January 2024) mark, ~1200 defendants were charged and 171 were convicted (32 without a trial). 749 were sentenced in total. So that's presumably still more than several hundred defendants waiting for what should be a speedy trial. Again, that is not how we should operate in this country. If you accuse (charge) someone of a crime their trial should be brought as swiftly as possible as mandated by the Constitution. That this was not done is by itself enough cause to pardon them, let alone the exaggeration of the charges presented. Also, to close things out: >The 'back the blue' and 'tough on crime' party is a total farce. Trump and Republicans enjoyed and continue to enjoy the approval and cooperation of law enforcement agencies across the country both before and after the pardons were issued. [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20240108135705/https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/36-months-jan-6-attack-capitol-0 https://web.archive.org/web/20240108135705/https://www.justi...
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      > From an archived DoJ page[1] at the year 3 (January 2024) mark, ~1200 defendants were charged and 171 were convicted (32 without a trial). 749 were sentenced in total. The number sentenced cannot be higher than the number convicted (and the source document, unlike your summary, does not make that impossible claim), since sentencing requires conviction. > So that's presumably more than several hundred defendants waiting for what should be a speedy trial. Many of them were charged substantially after the event, “Speedy trial” refers to the time from charging to trial (the time from event to charges is governed by statute of limitations, not speedy trial rights.)