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Purelymail: Cheap, no-nonsense email
- fryd_w 2y agothat's great. are you planning to build a nicer client?
- habakul 2y ago[dead]
- Kokouane 2y agoPurelymail has been great! I've used it for about a year, no issues, just works and extremely cheap.
- valleyer 2y agoSame here. It's wonderful. I moved over when Gandi started charging for its e-mail hosting.
- mometsi 2y agoSeems like a reasonable alternative to Proton for multiple domains: email that costs money instead of being haunted by AI. That logo is creepy though, and implies exactly the opposite.
- MathMonkeyMan 2y agomight be a freemason thing
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoHaunted by AI? I haven’t heard of problems with Proton outside of their calendar implementation, which I’ve heard they’re fixing this year.
- Kye 2y agoThey have an optional writing assistant thing that uses their own in-house model. Sweden is mostly hydro and nuclear, so the environmental arguments against generative AI don't hold up very well.
- codetrotter 2y agoProton is Swiss, not Swedish
- Kye 2y agoLate night mixup. Switzerland is also substantially hydro, nuclear, and renewables and headed toward eliminating fossil fuels, so the point still stands. It doesn't contribute to the crisis in the way most generative AI does. They also ran their datacenters on 100% renewables as of 3 years ago: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/pa76za/is_protonmail_green/ha4uu0h/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/pa76za/is_proto...
- Imustaskforhelp 2y agooh lmao , I had just watched a video where people were confusing sweden and swiss (heck the swiss president missaid switzerland to sweden lmao) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oNX_BHgi3c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oNX_BHgi3c I was like , okay nobody confuses swiss and sweden but here you are!
- Kye 2y agoIt's the insidious sw
- qingcharles 2y agoFastmail seems to let me have unlimited domains for like $5/mo
- thayne 2y agoWhich is 6 times more than purelymail.
- WrongOnInternet 2y agoTheir comparison of themselves to Proton is rather deceptive. If you're willing have only 1GB of storage, instead of 3GB, you can get proton for free. And at the price they list ($48/yr), you'd get 15GB storage, plus a lot more. And no, I was not paid by proton to say this. I only have the free plan.
- omnimus 2y agoThis claim is also rather deceptive because the free proton mail does not allow custom domain. To get your own domain with proton you have to get 4usd/month plan.
- xigoi 2y agoProton does not allow you to use standard protocols (IMAP/SMTP), which is a deal-breaker for me.
- Numerlor 2y agoThey have a bridge app for normal protocols, though I have had problems with it losing content IDs on attachments
- Gud 2y agoProtonmail doesn’t support IMAP which is something wish I knew before migrating
- Evidlo 2y agoUse it for email redirection from my domain. Just a few bucks per year
- Imustaskforhelp 2y agohttps://improvmx.com/ https://improvmx.com/ how about improvmx , it gives redirection for free , I have also discovered it right now in this thread though I think I had heard about it (I am not sure , I know of some email software where you pay one time and then you can self host or they host I am not sure)
- teamx 2y agoWhats the reason for using this over free options like gmail?
- KetoManx64 2y agoYour emails aren't being anaylyzed to create a profile about for being used for targeted ads.
- brunoqc 2y agoDoesn't Google claim they don't read your emails? There's plenty of reasons to drop Google thought. They barely improve old products. They probably try to force us to use their products: I think you can't use your own assistant with a wakeword. On my pixel watch 1, using a calendar other than Google's sucks. There is almost no useful wearos apps (sure, it's the devs jobs but Google could bribe them or something). A lot of great wear os apps would benefit everyone. I'm still pissed that they want a monthly subscription for the sleep tracking with the Google home thing... That you buy with your own money.
- nine_k 2y agoI care relatively little because I cut ads using browser plugins and suchlike. Allowing anything shady, let alone incriminating in your email would be insane, whether it's a mailbox at Google or at Proton. Transactional emails from shady websites, like password reset, are best done with email services like mailinator, which offer zero access protection and destroy the received email in a few minutes automatically.
- thayne 2y agoExcept for all the emails you send to all the other people still using Gmail.
- aembleton 2y agoHarder for Google to tie it to you though when you're not using a Google account
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- metadat 2y agohttps://purelymail.com/advancedpricing https://purelymail.com/advancedpricing That actually seems pretty good. Who's behind this? If they had a minimal free tier which supports custom domain names I'd definitely give to a go. Gmail was great 20 years ago, but today it's disheartening to see many services restricting registration except from Gmail.com and Yahoo.com domain names.
- bxparks 2y agoIs it still a one-man operation? They used to have a blurb about that on their website, but I cannot find it anymore. The bus-factor of one was probably the main reason I did not choose them when I de-googled myself during Google's fiasco with their "free forever" Legacy GSuite termination. I found out a year or two later that they had rescinded their termination, but it was too late. I had migrated out of Google, to my relief.
- infecto 2y agoLooks like it. https://purelymail.com/about https://purelymail.com/about
- dbcjv7vhxj 2y agoIt is, but he has someone ready if he gets hit by a bus.
- sonofhans 2y agoDon’t take this the wrong way — really, no hate — but I find it amusing that a cryptic comment from a green-text account on HN is the best business continuity planning documentation available :D
- bxparks 2y agoIt's the part about attempting to train someone as a backup that I remember reading on their website. I can no longer find that blurb..
- dbcjv7vhxj 2y ago[dead]
- Bradlinc 2y agoI have used this for several years and have had few issues. When I needed support for something (which was my fault) I received a response within a couple of hours.
- drunner 2y agoCustomer for a few years now. I don't do anything fancy with it. It was the cheapest and most appealing option for a custom domain for personal email. I think it runs me ~$11 a year or something I combine it with simplelogin to handle all my aliasing needs. Thanks for the great service.
- 77pt77 2y agoHow is deliverability? Because for $11/year you can get a simple kvm machine and run your own servers.
- jimmydoe 2y agoyour time worth a lot more.
- anshargal 2y agothere are not a lot of options to get a virtual server under $1 per month, especially with IPv4 address
- selcuka 2y agoRackNerd offers one for $10.99 a year [1]. I've used them before and they are a solid provider. Besides you can use the same server and same IPv4 address for hosting multiple email domains. [1] https://vncoupon.com/black-friday-racknerd-huge-savings-special-vps/ https://vncoupon.com/black-friday-racknerd-huge-savings-spec...
- 77pt77 2y ago15 USD or EUR a year is almost trivial. It will have more than enough resources for SMTP, IMAP, HTTP, and even a personal VPN. It's really not difficult. The problem is that most IPs will be tainted and unless you are a major player, email deliverability sucks. That's why I asked, because these guys were unknown to me.
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- ocdtrekkie 2y agoI have an automated account that needs its own inbox but sends like two plain text emails a day... mostly just to me. I never moved it to Fastmail because the price was prohibitive but this would be a great option for it instead.
- notpushkin 2y agoJust get something like SendGrid or Mailgun – services like this are usually free for a few thousand emails per month, and support SMTP (though are trying to push you to their proprietary API).
- ocdtrekkie 2y agoI've used Sendgrid quite a bit, it's great! But in this particular case, you may note I specified it needs it's own inbox: This particular tool of mine does presently use IMAP for inbound mail, and even though the volume for it is insignificant, it means I generally need a "real email account" for it.
- notpushkin 2y agoOh, right, sorry! I misread that as something along the lines of “sends to my own mailbox”. Perhaps replying on HN first thing in the morning wasn’t such a bright idea haha FWIW Mailgun also has a receiving API (proprietary, unfortunately): https://www.mailgun.com/products/send/inbound-routing/ https://www.mailgun.com/products/send/inbound-routing/
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- manishsharan 2y agoThis is lovely. However I am also curious and in awe : how did this company survive and acquire paying customers with so many well established competitors and so many free alternatives? I am seeking inspiration!
- thayne 2y agoAFAIK (and I have looked) no free options have all of the following features: support for custom domains, support for imap, a decent amount of storage. Most users don't need all of those things, but there is a niche that does, and are willing to pay a little bit to get it.
- the_jeremy 2y agoI also use this. Pros: super cheap. <$2/mo for all my custom email addresses and routing rules. Nothing else came close - everything else I found would make me pay per email address even if that address receives an average of 0 emails per month. The wildcard suffixes are really nice as well - they use _ instead of gmail's + (I've had issues with gmail's version as it sometimes is transparently removed, or sometimes the form doesn't consider + a valid character). Cons: UI is bad, so you'll want to access through a client. 1 person shop. Not audited AFAIK.
- kanodiaashu 2y agodid you compare with Zoho mail?
- eps 2y agoZoho produces a lot of spam and regularly ends up on blocklists.
- em-bee 2y ago+ is not gmail. + is industry standard, supported by almost all mail servers (if configured) since long before gmail existed.
- MatekCopatek 2y agoIt's gmail in the sense that they deliver you+[whatever]@gmail.com to you@gmail.com By default it's just a valid character.
- em-bee 2y agonope, exactly this feature you describe is what i am referring to. it's not a gmail invention. not by a long shot.
- MatekCopatek 2y agoTIL! Thanks, was not aware of that.
- nomilk 2y agoHow difficult is exporting from one provider into another (e.g. from gmail into proton or purely)? I guess normies like me are a bit hesitant due to the risk of messing it up (would be a disaster to lose years of emails, as some are important for record-keeping). Curious to hear from people who've done(/attempted) it and how it went? Was it hard? Were there risks? Any regrets?
- brokegrammer 2y agoIf your provider supports IMAP, you can use imapsync https://imapsync.lamiral.info/ https://imapsync.lamiral.info/ to sync emails between two mail boxes. I did it a few times and it was straightforward.
- defanor 2y agoFor libre options available from Linux distributions' repositories, see isync (aka mbsync) and offlineimap. And mail clients in general should be able to handle IMAP and standard formats (Maildir, mbox). If one cares about mail backups, it is also useful to archive and backup one's mail in one of those standard and portable formats, and/or to synchronize between multiple machines regularly.
- Groxx 2y agoI can't speak for Purely, but every one I've tried has had an "import from [previous provider]" feature because that's basically just "pull from imap". Otherwise: for ~20 years now I've been able to just attach two imap accounts in thunderbird, and drag to move/copy everything from one to the other, and that'll just chug away until it's done. I've never had an issue doing that.
- Open-Sourcery 2y agoFrom one domain to another (gmail.com to custom), a bit of faffing about to get all the accounts moves over. Moving the mails was as simple as ctrl+a and dragging my mouse in thunderbird. Between providers with a custom domain (zoho to mxroute) was easy. Just updating the DNS records and moving the emails. If you are technically able (really just buying a domain and setting the DNS records the provider tells you) I would recommend getting a custom domain. It gives you the ability to move providers at will pretty easily, even if you did want to stick with a gmail for now.
- xyst 2y agoI personally prefer to setup my own mail server. No troubles with receiving or sending, thus far (2 years) But this is a pretty good option for non-technical folks.
- brokegrammer 2y agoI have my own server for a few mailboxes as well but the spam detection isn't great. I still receive emails from Ukrainian billionaires who want to wire me all their money for safekeeping. I use rspamd, which is supposed to be great. How are you dealing with spam?
- andrewfromx 2y agohttps://improvmx.com/ https://improvmx.com/ is free for 1 email
- notpushkin 2y agoIt’s also just forwarding, not email hosting.
- Imustaskforhelp 2y agoyou could use something like proton mail free for hosting if you want something free ? Sure they have it for 500 mb , but there was a deal to get 5gb instead but I think (Okay so I don't have 5gb) but still 500mb is decent enough , like some others said , you could also export some emails locally and use syncthing but I don't know for me 500mb is decent
- wopwops 2y agoWhy does the logo feature an eyeball?
- xigoi 2y agoWhy not? People like to add eyeballs to random things to make them look like living creatures.
- tuananh 2y agoemail & storage/backup are a few things i would want absolute resiliency. imagine missing some important emails could cost you a lot.
- thelastgallon 2y agoDiscussed before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27707857 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27707857 (2021)
- dang 2y agoThanks! Macroexpanded: Purelymail: Cheap, No-Nonsense Email - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33058691 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33058691 - Oct 2022 (4 comments) Purelymail – cheap, no-nonsense email - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27707857 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27707857 - July 2021 (307 comments) Purelymail: Cheap email with custom domains, 2FA - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23567456 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23567456 - June 2020 (1 comment) Show HN: Purelymail (Beta) – extremely cheap custom domain email - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19134881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19134881 - Feb 2019 (1 comment)
- CobrastanJorji 2y ago> No arbitrary limits. Have as many users and store as much mail as you want. There is absolutely a limit. If you don't think you have a limit, it's because you don't have your asshole building his too-clever, "mountable PurelyMailFS" project or whatever yet. So you have a limit, but you aren't telling us what it is, or you don't know what it is. And an unknown arbitrary limit is worse than an arbitrary limit. EDIT: I WAS WRONG. They bill by storage size & queries if you use "significantly more than $10 in resources" -- which is still vague and arbitrary but probably not a lot of users in the murky grey area.
- BeetleB 2y agoI get where your mentality is coming from, but I've been with my current mark provider who has "no limits" for twenty years without problems. I've been with my unlimited backup provider for over a decade without any problems. They keep increasing their available fee but that's ok for how much I'm backing up (several terabytes). It pays in life not to be too cynical.
- TechDebtDevin 2y agoWhat company?
- throwaway290 2y agoMark?
- BeetleB 2y agoSorry - typo. mail.
- simple10 2y agoI found the limits are on the pricing and advanced pricing pages. It seems pretty straightforward. You get $10/year of resources. If you use a lot more than that, then you'll get upgraded to advanced pricing. https://purelymail.com/advancedpricing https://purelymail.com/advancedpricing
- funride1 2y agoAnother very happy customer of this for the past 3 years.
- codegeek 2y agoVery honest Landing Page. If anyone is interested in self hosting their own emails, I have found mailinabox to be a useful start: https://mailinabox.email/ https://mailinabox.email/ https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox https://github.com/mail-in-a-box/mailinabox
- hitekker 2y ago> We're not trying to bamboozle you with glossy images, or sell you a lofty ideal. Avoiding "lofty ideals" resonates with me. That kind of marketing reeks of weird self-hyping. Like, the company is over-valuing its service and under-thinking its shortcomings.
- deldelaney 2y ago[dead]
- tonyoconnell 2y agoDo you want free email for multiple addresses on multiple domains with all the features of a Gmail? Just setup Cloudflare to manage your email, create rules to forward to regular Gmail accounts, which you can configure to send email from your domains. 100% free.
- et-al 2y agoiirc with this setup, Google just changes the "reply-to" and someone can still figure out your actual Gmail address.
- notpushkin 2y agoI think you can still add an SMTP server in Gmail, and it will use that (with a proper From header, DKIM and all).
- cuu508 2y agoIn a Cloudflare+GMail setup, what SMTP server would I use for sending?
- notpushkin 2y agoAny third-party one! There’s a bunch of options. The usual ones like SendGrid or Mailgun are probably not great for personal email, but it could probably work. Personally, I’ve used Duocircle for a similar setup and it worked pretty well: https://www.duocircle.com/email/outbound-smtp https://www.duocircle.com/email/outbound-smtp
- notpushkin 2y agoI do want all the features of a Gmail, I just don’t want Google going through it.
- kanodiaashu 2y agoCould you say more? Is there a tutorial I could follow?
- YPPH 2y agoAn interesting service, and very competitively priced. But for me, my email is fairly mission-critical. It's not something I'm prepared to endow in a one-man shop. I don't mean to offend, but it looks like something that might be used as something of a novelty. Were I to use it, I'd be backing up my email locally.
- sneak 2y agoYou should be backing up your email locally regardless, even if you use Google Workspace or Fastmail.
- YPPH 2y agoI don't agree with you. A key reason to host your email with a reliable cloud storage provider is to have backups handled for you. Fastmail is particularly good in that respect, since it takes periodic backups for you, allowing deleted items to be accessed. To put things in perspective, I dare say that many large commercial organisations who rely on Office 365 are not backing up emails locally. They do likely have fancy retention holds preventing nefarious actors who compromise access to the account nuking things. I think Fastmail's backup is limited to 7 days. Outside that is a risk; it's one I'll take. Maybe we have different perceptions of risk. But I think one can reasonably take the view it is unnecessary to have an independent copy in this scenario.
- miles 2y ago>> You should be backing up your email locally regardless, even if you use Google Workspace or Fastmail. > I don't agree with you. A key reason to host your email with a reliable cloud storage provider is to have backups handled for you. Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26061935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26061935 Google users locked out after 15 years' use https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24965432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24965432 I got locked out of my Google account for a month https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15989146 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15989146 Tell HN: Need help, locked out of Google account with 10 years of personal data https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42350245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42350245 Android user locked out of Google after moving cities https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13004369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13004369 Ask HN: I'm a small business and Google locked me out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22705122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22705122 Ask HN: Locked out of Google services with no recourse or explanation https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17428707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17428707 ASK HN: Google account disabled. Oh what to do? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=350968 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=350968 Ask HN: Google just kicked me out of my account, no option to verify https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24709282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24709282 Man locked out of Google Drive and loses 9 year old photos after SIM Swap attack https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41915523 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41915523 Ask HN: Locked out of Google Aps email with no recourse - advice? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9768593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9768593 When you get locked out of your Google account, what do you do? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31070914 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31070914
- raybb 2y agoThey're a very nice service. I set it up with a custom domain a few years back and forgot about it and recently realized I had negative $9 in credits. I couldn't log into the webmail to access the emails there and it seems they stopped accepting emails. But as soon as I paid the $9 and topped up with a little more credit I was able to access everything.
- pikdum 2y agoI've been using this for a while now just to have mailboxes for various domains. Works well, no complaints.
- AnonC 2y agoIt’s been around for several years and the homepage still says it’s in beta. I understand that any platform may have undiscovered bugs and issues, but an update on the progress (any indication of improved stability) would be helpful.
- swaits 2y agoThis is unfair comparison to Proton as it is bundled with their VPN, Calendar, Drive, and Password manager. Given all it comes with, it's very competitively priced. Additionally, they've been at it a long time and built a strong brand around privacy.
- freeone3000 2y agoBut you can’t debundle those — you cannot get ProtonMail (which doesn’t have IMAP) without ProtonCalendar (which doesn’t have CalDAV), ProtonVPN, Proton Password Manager, and an expanding suite of services I already have solutions for that I like better. Being cheaper and only doing mail is a huge plus.
- 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 2y agoProtonMail has IMAP via ProtonMail Bridge, which handles the decrypt/encrypt step locally - not sure how else it would be implemented. Ideas?
- freeone3000 2y agothey offer a web client, so, they already have decryption keys for your email. They should just offer IMAPS like everybody else and stop pretending they couldn’t read your email if they wanted to.
- magicalhippo 2y agoThey say[1] they only store subject line and to/from addresses accessible to them. This should be sufficient to implement a web client which does client-side decryption of the content, in which case they indeed could not read the contents. And they do have the IMAP bridge, I've been using it for a year with Thunderbird without any issues so far. [1]: https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained
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- silisili 2y agoFor the use case presented, one user 3GB, Zoho is absolutely free. It's free for up to 5 users at 5GB each, in fact. I've been using it for a few years now and love it. Will gladly pay if they kick me off the free plan.
- mmooss 2y ago> Some features other providers have, such as calendar syncing, are not yet implemented. What is the story with FOSS calendar sync tools on the server end? Standardized? Reliable? Easy enough?
- csomar 2y agoThis has roughly the same pricing as Fastmail just that it offers much smaller plans. If you are really that tight about money, have your domain DNS on cloudflare and redirect mail to gmail and send from a Cloudflare worker. A bit of a hassle but completely free. Fastmail is worth it though as it has a really good web client and can do other nice things (Calendar, rules, notes, store random files, etc..)
- LaSombra 2y agoHave Fastmail moved their servers outside the US?
- notepad0x90 2y agoDelaware incorporation is the norm, but for anyone who cares about dragnet surveillance, the state of incorporation is important, as well as the country. Proton also does end-to-end encrypted email and supposedly, your emails are never stored decrypted, they are decrypted in your browser and in ingress/egress out of their environment. They're also hosting in switzerland. That said, like many, I also am looking for an alternative. I pay them too much to not care about their CEO's political commentary.
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- jurgenaut23 2y agoWhat kind of commentary are you referring to?
- homarp 2y agosee https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42837181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42837181
- WrongOnInternet 2y ago[dead]
- sangnoir 2y ago> They're also hosting in switzerland. Crypto AG was also based in Switzerland - that by itself mattered very little because it was owned by the CIA and the West Germany Intelligence service.
- dejan 2y agoend-to-end encryption? yes, if both users are on Proton - but don't call it email then. Storing encrypted makes only sense when keys are not in their hands. Plaintext password enters their system on each login which means they can have your decryption key at any point if needed. smoke and mirrors marketing...
- andrewguru 2y agohttps://mailcast.io https://mailcast.io offers free email forwarding for one domain
- kseistrup 2y agoThis would be a nice transport/storage backend for DeltaChat, as it seems there are no limits for number of incoming and outgoing emails. In DeltaChat most messages are very short, but if you're chatting in a group it may incur a lot of emails in both directions.
- voussoir 2y agoI've been a Purelymail customer since July 2021. For the most part I have been very satisfied. However, in July 2024 I sent an email to Scott for support because I have been getting too much spam. He said that the spamassassin auto-learning filter was broken and he was working on a replacement. In the time since then, I think maybe it is doing a little better, but I still get quite a lot of spam. But for $0.40/month I have not had any inclination to switch providers. https://voussoir.net/spam https://voussoir.net/spam
- pyromaker 2y agoI looked into Purelymail when searching around for good email solution. Google Workspace was getting a bit costly and there were too many things I did not need. Zoho Mail provides another option - $1.95 per month I think for my use where I am (AU) and has all the features I need for my small indie business. One other option I tried was to actually run mail myself with Linode VPS - https://mailinabox.email/ https://mailinabox.email/ I know it sounds a little scary at the start running your own thing, but so far it's been working out great - zero issues so far. I may turn off Zoho one day and go fully into self-hosted option.
- oldandboring 2y agoCame here to mention Zoho Mail. I use Zoho to provide IMAP and SMTP mail for a webapp that required a dedicated address. Would have been like $72/year to make a whole new user in Google Workspace.
- crossroadsguy 2y agoLike every last time it was posted. It’s not suitable for anything other than your hobby email domain. If you use your email with your bank, and other critical services I’d seriously not go with a one-person show. > Also, we're in beta https://purelymail.com/about https://purelymail.com/about > We're a small company. So small, the "we" is royal. I wish Scott best of luck and I hope one day it reaches there but until it is anything but confidence boosting.
- ffsm8 2y agoWhenever I come across landing pages I always wonder, how many people are the "we" and "team" really. It feels disingenuous to use these terms under such circumstances, but he's definitely not a minority doing so. It's kinda the norm, wherever we (｡ ◕ ‿ ◕ ｡) like it or not
- bardsore 2y agoI think it sounds natural to say "we" in the context of a company even if it's a one-person company, but I just know english as a second language.
- XCSme 2y agoMe and my accountant...
- riiii 2y agoHe could get a cat and technically not be lying. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._D._C._Willard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._D._C._Willard
- npteljes 2y agoI did web dev for many one-off projects, and very often this is the case - that the people are non-existent. When having an altercation with a customer, one of my guys even fired the non-existing support person, and then another non-existing support person took over, apologized, and made amends with the client. So yeah, at least this guys is somewhat transparent. And with services like my primary email address, I only trust longstanding, reliable services, nothing fresh, nothing beta, nothing with the bus factor of 1. But with the custom domain, at least migration is not super hard maybe? Just hope that it doesn't happen during a 2-week vacation or something.
- todotask 2y agoZoho have a free plan we have been using for years for business, 5 emails, each 5 GB.
- vander_elst 2y agoDo you have a link? The nearest best I can find is https://www.zoho.com/de/mail/zohomail-pricing.html https://www.zoho.com/de/mail/zohomail-pricing.html which is ~12 bucks a year
- aembleton 2y agohttps://mail.zoho.eu/signup?type=org&plan=free https://mail.zoho.eu/signup?type=org&plan=free
- binary_slinger 2y agoIt would be an interesting experiment ditch the Roundcube or any web UI to decrease the attack surface.
- bardsore 2y agoI use Purelymail to send emails from my personal domain (admin@domain.tld) from my self-hosted stuff and to forward emails to my personal domain to my gmail, and it works great for that. I only use it for hobby projects so I'm not too bothered by the lack of audits or a bus factor of 1.
- waldrews 2y agoThe pricing model is very well thought out and worth studying. Cheap but not free generous base layer, that falls back to prepaid credit resource based billing for high users. Even details like punitively increased pricing to discourage higher risk outbound email patterns. This removes risks from both seller and buyer. The seller is not afraid of an avalanche of free trial users resulting in a big cloud bill. The user is not afraid of surprise overages (cough recent Vercel scandals cough) nor has to think about usage patterns that fit into arbitrary quotas, nor about surprises that catch up to you if you use the service at scale. This is the way to do small utilities that have a cloud cost; services of the 'save you the trouble of self-hosting' type, or the 'tool somebody writes once, and people might use occasionally for years' pattern. Maybe not the way to extract maximum value and growth for an ambitious startus, but a good choice for the many modest niche services out there.
- TZubiri 2y ago>No arbitrary limits. Have as many users and store as much mail as you want. New company policy, if you need to save large files like 3d renders, please use email for storage.
- infecto 2y ago"If you use significantly more than $10 a year in resources, you may need to switch to advanced pricing"
- chaz6 2y agoAccording to their advanced pricing calculator at https://purelymail.com/advancedpricing https://purelymail.com/advancedpricing you can get about 16GB for $10 per year. The price for 1000GB would be $376.65. $210.40 for storage, $4.00 in account fees, $112.89 for received email, $2.77 for received email bandwidth (GB), $46.53 for sent emails, $0.00 for sent email bandwidth (GB), and $0.05 in username fees.
- Brajeshwar 2y agoThey missed a good service, which I’ve recommended here often, in their comparison — Migadu (no affiliation). https://www.migadu.com https://www.migadu.com
- nickweb 2y agoI'm genuinely surprised no one has mentioned mxroute[1]. Thier pricing normally is pretty decent, but they keep the BF deals going pretty much all year [2]. I've been using them for 6 years with no issues. I use it now with all my domains and never have any deliverability issues. The owner (Jar - one person shop again) is passionate about their email reputation for deliverability and is active on both lowendtalk and the dedicated sub Reddit. I ended up comparing purleymail and mxroute - tested mxroute and stayed with them. [1] https://mxroute.com/ https://mxroute.com/ [2] https://mxroute.blackfriday/ https://mxroute.blackfriday/
- haint 2y ago+1 happy customer since 2020.
- maltalex 2y agoYou're not concerned about the bus factor? What happens if the owner suddenly disappears?
- simfree 2y agoPurelymail's About page lists one person, and the product is in beta. MXRoute has years of track record, more than 1 employee, and has good tools like IMAPSync to enable easy duplication of your emails for backup or migration to a different platform.
- maltalex 2y agoFair. I didn't phrase my question correctly. It wasn't really about MXRoute specifically, but the bus factor in general when trusting your email to a tiny company.
- jcul 2y agoBeen using mxroute for years, have multiple domains (they let you use unlimited domains IIRC), never had any issues. Great info on setting up stuff like SPF, DKIM. Easy to set quotas on accounts, set up catch-alls etc. Never had an issue with deliverability or anything like that. Probably sound like a shill, but I think it's such a good option, and really reasonably priced. I have a perpetual black friday deal, and I pay like 15 USD a year!!
- g8oz 2y agoRunbox is pretty good too.
- rolisz 2y agoAnother happy customer here - for about 5 years I think. 0 issues. I think they had a small outage at some, but it was resolved super quick.
- steveharman 2y agoAnother happy Purelymail customer here (5 years). if anyone needs to move mail storage from one IMAP server to another (eg; Purelymail) I can highly recommend https://imapsync.lamiral.info/ https://imapsync.lamiral.info/ Not for it's website graphic design, but as a CLI tool that works perfectly. "source server -->> target server" and let it run
- fraXis 2y ago+1 for Imapsync. I use it to back up/sync all of my email accounts via IMAP to a different email provider account, and it works great!
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- honestSysAdmin 2y agoNo JMAP huh.
- NnnomNom43 2y agoSimilar price at https://domainname.shop https://domainname.shop, a Norwegian company: 1€/month (around 13 USD / year) for 15GB per account, 20 accounts.