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Maybe they should not exist at the first place. So I cant use my car to carry out people, without a permission. However, if I do it with uber, I suddenly can!

Maybe they should not exist at the first place. So I cant use my car to carry out people, without a permission. However, if I do it with uber, I suddenly can! More than this, I wonder if I can create a company to do taxi bussiness. I will buy 5 car, then rent out 5 more, do taxi bussiness… what makes uber so special, I wonder

golemotron 2y ago
Uber is not a great case for your argument. They made the world safer and enabled transportation for people who would otherwise not have it. No one, literally no one, who has spent any time in taxis wants to go back to them. I can't tell you the number of times I've had to call several companies to get a taxi to the airport have none arrive. Uber broke the ice and showed what was possible. There was literally no other way to get past the regulatory capture. Yes, they broke the law, but they are net positive by a large margin.
- Cheer2171 2y ago
  > Yes, they broke the law How about I go into your house and break the laws around theft? I promise to do good things for society with your property. The ends justify the means, according to your argument.
  - marcosdumay 2y ago
    Some laws are just. Some aren't.
    - Cheer2171 2y ago
      Oh so it seems you are unaware that in modern societies, there is a thing where if laws are unjust, we have a whole system for changing them. It's called government. If your definition of 'unjust' is different than the political system's definition, you have to push for social change to change the political system. You don't get to short-circuit this just because you're an 'innovator'. How do you feel about protesters who carry out acts of civil disobedience, violating laws to draw attention to the issue? Just curious.
      - golemotron 2y ago
        What was the plan for fixing taxi service?
        ajmurmann 2y ago
        Especially while city governments benefited from the medallion scheme (and not even nearly as much as they should have)
      - marcosdumay 2y ago
        > How do you feel about protesters who carry out acts of civil disobedience, violating laws to draw attention to the issue? Some laws are just, some aren't. I can even accept exceptions for proportional acts of violence against evil people... But the way you speak is normally used by people trying to perpetrate moderate (a few times even large) acts of violence against large groups of innocent people. So, if that's what you want to know, I normally make exceptions for proportional acts of violence against that last group.
- ohlookcake 2y ago
  > They are a net positive by a large margin Maybe initially. The 'large' margin is getting smaller every day. Pricing is opaque and ever increasing. A subscription is slowly becoming a requirement rather than a ln add on. Most of the price increases are not passed on to the driver. Drivers in most markets are 'independent contractors', which they're realising is a bad deal. They've only recently moved from market-capture mode to tighten-the-screw mode. Expect the enshittification to accelerate
  - golemotron 2y ago
    We only get to complain about these things because ride service is ubiquitous and easy now. With taxis, it wasn't.

golemotron 2y ago

Uber is not a great case for your argument. They made the world safer and enabled transportation for people who would otherwise not have it. No one, literally no one, who has spent any time in taxis wants to go back to them. I can't tell you the number of times I've had to call several companies to get a taxi to the airport have none arrive. Uber broke the ice and showed what was possible. There was literally no other way to get past the regulatory capture. Yes, they broke the law, but they are net positive by a large margin.

Cheer2171 2y ago
> Yes, they broke the law How about I go into your house and break the laws around theft? I promise to do good things for society with your property. The ends justify the means, according to your argument.
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  Some laws are just. Some aren't.
  - Cheer2171 2y ago
    Oh so it seems you are unaware that in modern societies, there is a thing where if laws are unjust, we have a whole system for changing them. It's called government. If your definition of 'unjust' is different than the political system's definition, you have to push for social change to change the political system. You don't get to short-circuit this just because you're an 'innovator'. How do you feel about protesters who carry out acts of civil disobedience, violating laws to draw attention to the issue? Just curious.
    - golemotron 2y ago
      What was the plan for fixing taxi service?
      - ajmurmann 2y ago
        Especially while city governments benefited from the medallion scheme (and not even nearly as much as they should have)
    - marcosdumay 2y ago
      > How do you feel about protesters who carry out acts of civil disobedience, violating laws to draw attention to the issue? Some laws are just, some aren't. I can even accept exceptions for proportional acts of violence against evil people... But the way you speak is normally used by people trying to perpetrate moderate (a few times even large) acts of violence against large groups of innocent people. So, if that's what you want to know, I normally make exceptions for proportional acts of violence against that last group.
ohlookcake 2y ago
> They are a net positive by a large margin Maybe initially. The 'large' margin is getting smaller every day. Pricing is opaque and ever increasing. A subscription is slowly becoming a requirement rather than a ln add on. Most of the price increases are not passed on to the driver. Drivers in most markets are 'independent contractors', which they're realising is a bad deal. They've only recently moved from market-capture mode to tighten-the-screw mode. Expect the enshittification to accelerate
- golemotron 2y ago
  We only get to complain about these things because ride service is ubiquitous and easy now. With taxis, it wasn't.