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I know that I'll get a lot of hate and downvotes for this comment. I want to say that I have all the respect and admiration for these Chinese people, their ing
by huqedato 2y ago
I know that I'll get a lot of hate and downvotes for this comment.
I want to say that I have all the respect and admiration for these Chinese people, their ingenuity and their way of doing innovation even if they achieve this through technological theft and circumventing embargoes imposed by US (we all know how GPUs find their way into their hands).
We are living a time with a multi-faceted war between the US, China, EU, Russia and others. One of the battlegrounds is AI supremacy. This war (as any war) isn’t about ethics; it’s about survival, and anything goes.
Finally, as someone from Europe, I confess that here is well known that the "US innovates while EU regulates" and that's a shame IMO. I have the impression that EU is doing everything possible to keep us, European citizens, behind, just mere spectators in this tech war. We are already irrelevant, niche players.
- travisporter 2y agoBut Anthropic is a French company isn’t that in the EU
- throw310822 2y agoNo it's American, you probably confuse them with Mistral AI.
- travisporter 2y agoOh wow thank you yes I did
- huqedato 2y agoAnthropic is not French. You probably meant Mistral, that is a French company, but a niche player in this AI game.
- hackandthink 2y ago"We are living a time with a multi-faceted war between the US, China, EU, Russia and others." The only way to win this war is to deescalate. Everybody wins. And AI competition is a good thing for Europe especially when it lags behind technologically.
- quesera 2y ago> The only way to win this war is to deescalate But there is absolutely no way that will happen, so the pragmatic question is which horse to bet on.
- immibis 2y agoRight now it's looking like China. As R1 exemplifies, but also, say, their EV and general manufacturing industry, they are the ones who are actually scrambling to produce more and better stuff (doesn't matter whether you like AI, the point is they're apparently at the forefront of many fields), while countries like the USA are only scrambling to see who gets to own the less and worse stuff they produce. I don't live there so I don't know how that's achieved, what insane human rights violations they have, but from the perspective of only predicting who wins, it doesn't really matter how they win.
- huqedato 2y agoI don't follow this "And AI competition is a good thing for Europe especially when it lags behind technologically." How that? Please explain your rationale.
- brookst 2y agoNot the person you’re replying to, but my interpretation is that Europe is destined to be a consumer of AI, not a producer. As a consumer, you want a multitude of suppliers because fewer suppliers means slower progress and higher prices.
- hackandthink 2y agoCouldn't have said it better.
- didibus 2y agoEurope now has access to a model R1, which is as good as the best US model o1, but for free. This is because of competition.
- whimsicalism 2y agoas an american, i never voted for this war, would like it to end, and think now is the time when international coordination is most critical
- rerdavies 2y agoThe top three largest supercomputers in the world are located at Lawrence Livermore Labs, Oak Ridges Labs, and Argonne Labs. Each of them provides an architecture that's ideal for running AI. One can't help wondering what kinds of classified AI results the US military is getting when running on El Capitan.
- brookst 2y agoIs El Capitan really ideal arch for AI? It’s massively parallel of course.
- whimsicalism 2y agono of course not
- TacticalCoder 2y ago[dead]
- didibus 2y agoYou said a lot of controversial things. I'll just zoom in on the last bit: > I have the impression that EU is doing everything possible to keep us, European citizens, behind, just mere spectators in this tech war. We are already irrelevant, niche players. Citizens of the US are just as irrelevant, if not more, since none of the productivity gains trickles down to them. Their real wage growth has stagnated since the 1970s, and each year that goes by, their actual power to purchase more goods or services goes down. The victories in AI only matter to those who will profit from it. When it comes to the citizens of a country benefiting from AI or not, being the leader in AI tech is not very important. It is more a matter of if AI benefits them or not. That their country has the leading AI tech can as easily results in them having less jobs, and being paid worse, as it could the opposite, depending on the policies of that country. But given that, it can very much be better to live in the EU, with second grade open-source models, but where the productivity benefits of AI benefit the general citizens, then to live in the US, where the productivity benefits of AI benefit only the few.